why that was nice

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Here's a solution for you. Eliminate affirmative action. Done, gone, failed experiment. Then you want a replacement, eliminate the god-****ed welfare checks. These "poor, underpriveledged, oppressed" people would actually have to get off their dead *****, and get a job!! Oh noes!! Not a job dawg! And selling crack doesn't count as a job, unless you really want to give the IRS a cut. I think it would be an amazing turnaround in the "black culture" if this were to happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about black people here, I'm talking about the whistle blowing n**gers. There is a difference. And yes, there are also white n**gers, before someone goes and blows up on me. Hell, for that matter, there are asian n**gers, indian (dots, not feathers) n**gers, and basically any other race you can imagine. As for the native americans... I grew up next to Foxwoods and the Mohegan sun casinos. It's amazing how many people became "Native American" overnight to get their piece of the pie, and guess what they all looked like to me...a bunch of n**gers.
Oh, and one more thing. The white kids walking around like they're all "gangsta" speaking their ebonics, really need to stop. Some parents need to start beating their kids for this type of shit. It's disgraceful.

That did wonders to improve your credibility.

I do have some weird form of respect for you though; at least you're blatant about your prejudices and stereotyping. At least you aren't hiding behind a veil of acceptance and supposed equality. You wear your bigotry like a badge of honor and proudly proclaim we should roll back the progress the country has made in race relations. Its easy to see exactly what you are.

Ps. Gummo was the shit, but I'm starting to wonder if you aren't living it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

But under affirmative action, I start out disadvantaged for being white. Now, I have to work harder than an average minority to compete. I don't understand how that is fair. Explain how that benefits society.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I am a firm believer that if we end this "a la carte" method of picking and choosing who gets what benefits we can actually perhaps see beyond prejudices. The only time I feel any type of racism is when I see AA take place. Why must our workforce and colleges accept second rate people in order to meet a quota?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I want to see references when you cite as well.

I would assume that minorities only make .64 to my dollar is because they did not take advantages of opportunities that I did. Instead of bringing me down to level the playing field, how about bringing minorities up? AA is assbackwards in it's logic. It is easier to beat me in a race if you tie concrete to my legs than to give you an equal opportunity to begin with.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

But under affirmative action, I start out disadvantaged for being white. Now, I have to work harder than an average minority to compete. I don't understand how that is fair. Explain how that benefits society.

I didn't think AA was intended to make things 'fair' for white people. I thought it was intended to recognize inequality and underrepresentation and try to make up for it. Are you consciously against those goals?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I am but is bringing me down the best mechanism to meet those goals? If additional subsidies were given to minorities that allowed them to better overcome adversity, I would be fine. But to say, we must have an equal representation in out firm that exists in society is completely bullshit. I am not against the goals of AA, but rather its implementation.

I make Milton Friendman look like a socialist when it comes to perception on markets and competition.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

back to the original post...I didn't know negro was considered a bad word? People still talk about negro league baseball and it isn't considered a bad word there.

 

[kballa422 10+ year member]

I didn't think AA was intended to make things 'fair' for white people. I thought it was intended to recognize inequality and underrepresentation and try to make up for it. Are you consciously against those goals?

No but when you have two ppl compteting for a job/scholarship and one person is more qualified than the other, but the less qualified person gets chosen because they are black, I am against that. But I guess you feel black ppl need all the help they can get, sounds like you are the racist to me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

i feel like i pretty much answered every point you tried to make. Reread my posts.

If you think you truly experience disadvantage for being white, and everyone really has the same opportunities in America i guess we will just have to disagree.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Then we disagree and that is that, I suppose.

I think our system is geared toward certain things and not always race but IMO still wrong:

There are tax breaks for marriage.

There are tax breaks for dependants (implied is that you are having children)

There are tax disadvantages for independant investors.

There are tax disadvantages for options traders.

There are tax disadvantages for those who own thier own business.

There are advantages on application to certain schools for merely being a minority.

Schools are forced to recruit in a way that encourages racism, and unlike you I will cite an example that can be referenced

Tennessee State University is a HBCU (Historically Black College and Univeristy)

Middle Tennessee State University is a predominately white university.

If you are black and want a full scholarship:

TSU : none based on merit alone

MTSU: You must register, but it is a 3.0 / 25

If you are white and want a full scholarship

TSU: 2.5 / 19 : http://www.tnstate.edu/interior.asp?ScholarshipID=11&mid=122

MTSU: 3.75 / 29: http://scholarships.web.mtsu.edu/incomingfreshman.htm

AA works both ways but it is equally as wrong.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

back to the original post...I didn't know negro was considered a bad word? People still talk about negro league baseball and it isn't considered a bad word there.

very good point. Baseball is the cause of inequality and racism.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

The whole racism thing isn't just whites discriminating against blacks and the whole AA thing. Lets go back to the whole BET thing. Lets say someone creates a White Entertainment television. I'm willing to bet that some, not all, but some black people would call that racist, even though there is a BET.

And what about scholorships that are only for certain races? Not just blacks, but all other races too, except white. What if someone makes a scholorship for only whites? One of the qualifications would be that you could not be black to get it. Again, I'm willing to bet that some blacks will pull the race card on that too.

Whites aren't the only people adding to the problem of racism, blacks are doing it too.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Then we disagree and that is that, I suppose.
I think our system is geared toward certain things and not always race but IMO still wrong:

There are tax breaks for marriage.

There are tax breaks for dependants (implied is that you are having children)

There are tax disadvantages for independant investors.

There are tax disadvantages for options traders.

There are tax disadvantages for those who own thier own business.

There are advantages on application to certain schools for merely being a minority.

Schools are forced to recruit in a way that encourages racism, and unlike you I will cite an example that can be referenced

Tennessee State University is a HBCU (Historically Black College and Univeristy)

Middle Tennessee State University is a predominately white university.

If you are black and want a full scholarship:

TSU : none based on merit alone

MTSU: You must register, but it is a 3.0 / 25

If you are white and want a full scholarship

TSU: 2.5 / 19 : http://www.tnstate.edu/interior.asp?ScholarshipID=11&mid=122

MTSU: 3.75 / 29: http://scholarships.web.mtsu.edu/incomingfreshman.htm

AA works both ways but it is equally as wrong.

There are scholarships that benfits whites over blacks. It doesn't make it right or fair.

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

Racism and white guilt are equal partners in the muddying of the waters of this discussion as well as the construction of such policies in this country.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

What if someone makes a scholorship for only whites? One of the qualifications would be that you could not be black to get it. Again, I'm willing to bet that some blacks will pull the race card on that too.
Whites aren't the only people adding to the problem of racism, blacks are doing it too.

In my experiences, when I attended TSU on a full ride, some felt that whites were taking advantage of the system. Sure, they attending for free but many blacks felt the whites were slacking and it was unfair how that blacks had to work hard to attend TSU while whites could coast in, and remain on a free ride if they were barely passing.

There was an article in the college paper about it. I responded (and it was published) about how that is how many whites feel all the time. We have to work extra hard while others coasted, simple because of their race. Several people agreed with me, but I don't think it changed anything.