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The explosive idea of forcing Internet providers to record their customers' online activities for future police access is gaining ground in state capitols and in Washington, D.C.
Top Bush administration officials have endorsed the concept, and some members of the U.S. Congress have said federal legislation is needed to aid law enforcement investigations into child ***********. A bill is already pending in the Colorado State Senate.
Mandatory data retention requirements worry privacy advocates because they permit police to obtain records of e-mail chatter, Web browsing or chat-room activity that normally would have been discarded after a few months. And some proposals would require providers to retain data that ordinarily never would have been kept at all.
CNET News.com was the first to report last June that the U.S. Department of Justice was quietly shopping around the idea of legally required data retention. But it was the European Parliament's vote in December for a data retention requirement that seems to have attracted broader interest inside the United States.
At a hearing last week, Rep. Ed Whitfield, a Kentucky Republican who heads a House oversight and investigations subcommittee, suggested that data retention laws would be useful to police investigating crimes against children.
"I absolutely think that that is an idea that is worth pursuing," an aide to Whitfield said in an interview on Thursday. "If those files were retained for a longer period of time, it would help in the uncovering and prosecution of these crimes." Another hearing is planned for April 27.
Internet providers generally offer three reasons why they are skeptical of mandatory data retention: first, it is not clear who will be able to access records of someone's online behavior; second, it's not clear who will pay for the data warehouses to be constructed; and third, it's not clear that police are hindered by current law as long as they move swiftly in investigations.
"What we haven't seen is any evidence where the data would have been helpful, where the problem was not caused by law enforcement taking too long when they knew a problem existed," said Dave McClure, president of the U.S. Internet Industry Association, which represents small to midsize companies.
McClure said that while data retention aficionados cite child ***********, the stored data would be open to any type of investigation--including, for instance, those focused on drug crimes, tax fraud, or terrorism prosecutions. "The agenda behind this doesn't appear to be legitimate," he said.
Proposals for mandatory data retention tend to adhere to one of two models: Address storage or some kind of content storage. In the first model, businesses must record only which Internet address is assigned to a customer at a specific time. In the second, which is closer to what Europe adopted, more types of information must be retained--including telephone numbers dialed, contents of Web pages visited, recipients of e-mail messages and so on.
Without saying what model he favored, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff broadly endorsed data retention at a meeting of a departmental privacy panel last month. In response to a question, Chertoff said that federal police should be permitted to run queries against data repositories created and maintained by businesses for a set time.
"That might be a model for some kind of data retention issue," Chertoff said. "It might be one that would say the government, instead of holding the data itself, will allow it to remain in the private sector, provided the private sector retains it for a period of time so we can ping against it."
continued here,
http://news.com.com/ISP+snooping+gaining+support/2100-1028_3-6061187.html?tag=nefd.lede
Sounds scary to me, but they probably already do it...just trying to pass the cost on to ISP instead of storing all themselves. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
Top Bush administration officials have endorsed the concept, and some members of the U.S. Congress have said federal legislation is needed to aid law enforcement investigations into child ***********. A bill is already pending in the Colorado State Senate.
Mandatory data retention requirements worry privacy advocates because they permit police to obtain records of e-mail chatter, Web browsing or chat-room activity that normally would have been discarded after a few months. And some proposals would require providers to retain data that ordinarily never would have been kept at all.
CNET News.com was the first to report last June that the U.S. Department of Justice was quietly shopping around the idea of legally required data retention. But it was the European Parliament's vote in December for a data retention requirement that seems to have attracted broader interest inside the United States.
At a hearing last week, Rep. Ed Whitfield, a Kentucky Republican who heads a House oversight and investigations subcommittee, suggested that data retention laws would be useful to police investigating crimes against children.
"I absolutely think that that is an idea that is worth pursuing," an aide to Whitfield said in an interview on Thursday. "If those files were retained for a longer period of time, it would help in the uncovering and prosecution of these crimes." Another hearing is planned for April 27.
Internet providers generally offer three reasons why they are skeptical of mandatory data retention: first, it is not clear who will be able to access records of someone's online behavior; second, it's not clear who will pay for the data warehouses to be constructed; and third, it's not clear that police are hindered by current law as long as they move swiftly in investigations.
"What we haven't seen is any evidence where the data would have been helpful, where the problem was not caused by law enforcement taking too long when they knew a problem existed," said Dave McClure, president of the U.S. Internet Industry Association, which represents small to midsize companies.
McClure said that while data retention aficionados cite child ***********, the stored data would be open to any type of investigation--including, for instance, those focused on drug crimes, tax fraud, or terrorism prosecutions. "The agenda behind this doesn't appear to be legitimate," he said.
Proposals for mandatory data retention tend to adhere to one of two models: Address storage or some kind of content storage. In the first model, businesses must record only which Internet address is assigned to a customer at a specific time. In the second, which is closer to what Europe adopted, more types of information must be retained--including telephone numbers dialed, contents of Web pages visited, recipients of e-mail messages and so on.
Without saying what model he favored, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff broadly endorsed data retention at a meeting of a departmental privacy panel last month. In response to a question, Chertoff said that federal police should be permitted to run queries against data repositories created and maintained by businesses for a set time.
"That might be a model for some kind of data retention issue," Chertoff said. "It might be one that would say the government, instead of holding the data itself, will allow it to remain in the private sector, provided the private sector retains it for a period of time so we can ping against it."
continued here,
http://news.com.com/ISP+snooping+gaining+support/2100-1028_3-6061187.html?tag=nefd.lede
Sounds scary to me, but they probably already do it...just trying to pass the cost on to ISP instead of storing all themselves. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
Expy2K
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Good let it happen..
The faster shit like this gets passed the sooner it will fail one day..
Because sooner of later it will be abused..
I can't wait to hear dollar amounts from lawsuits this bill would create, State, Local, Federal units will be sued millions after millions.. For not following correct procedures and generally just fuking up..
I can see it now, some bum in Montana looking up explosives online, police kick down his door arrest him in front of his family, friends, co workers on his 50th birthday. Media paints this man as a terrorist, only to find out he is a demolitions contractor..
Boom FBI and local PD are sued 20 million for fuking up..
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The faster shit like this gets passed the sooner it will fail one day..
Because sooner of later it will be abused..
I can't wait to hear dollar amounts from lawsuits this bill would create, State, Local, Federal units will be sued millions after millions.. For not following correct procedures and generally just fuking up..
I can see it now, some bum in Montana looking up explosives online, police kick down his door arrest him in front of his family, friends, co workers on his 50th birthday. Media paints this man as a terrorist, only to find out he is a demolitions contractor..
Boom FBI and local PD are sued 20 million for fuking up..
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netherland24
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well will show what some congress person does online //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif maybe chatting with a 14year old little boy!... oooo wait didnt that already happend?
AllStar1500bd
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I can truthfully say that I'll bet most of this forum agrees that it is very absurd to do this. If you don't please reply with why. I'm curious to hear the other side.
It's ****ing pathetic that people would even consider this a good thing just so it can "fail." Laws which pray on personal rights, that fail in the government, do not get fixed, if you haven't realized this already...they continue to get abused, and excuses made to the public which scares them into believing it's still a necessary action.
The idea that our government uses scare tactics in order to strip us of our rights is aweful, but it's the truth, and until people stop taking it in the *** like a hooker who needs the money for food, it will continue to happen.
The idea that our government uses scare tactics in order to strip us of our rights is aweful, but it's the truth, and until people stop taking it in the *** like a hooker who needs the money for food, it will continue to happen.
SAN FRANCISCO - AT&T Inc. and an Internet advocacy group are waging in federal court a privacy battle that could expose the reach of the Bush administration's secretive domestic wiretapping program.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation said it obtained documents from a former AT&T technician showing that the National Security Agency is capable of monitoring all communications on AT&T's network.
"It appears the NSA is capable of conducting what amounts to vacuum-cleaner surveillance of all the data crossing the Internet, whether that be people's e-mail, Web surfing or any other data," whistle-blower Mark Klein, who worked for the company for 22 years, said in a statement released by his lawyers.
U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker is considering whether to unseal documents that Klein provided and AT&T wants kept secret. EFF filed the documents under seal as a courtesy to the phone company, but is seeking to unseal them.
The EFF lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court, seeks to stop the surveillance program that started shortly after the 2001 terror attacks. The suit is based in large part on the Klein documents, which detail secret spying rooms and electronic surveillance equipment in AT&T facilities.
The suit claims AT&T company not only provided direct access to its network that carries voice and data but also to its massive databases of stored telephone and Internet records that are updated constantly.
AT&T violated U.S. law and the privacy of its customers as part of the "massive and illegal program to wiretap and data-mine Americans' communications" without warrants, the EFF alleged.
Klein said the NSA built a secret room at the company's San Francisco central office in 2003, adjacent to a "switch room where the public's phone calls are routed." One of the documents under seal, Klein said, shows that a device was installed with the "ability to sift through large amounts of data looking for preprogrammed targets."
Other so-called secret rooms were constructed at AT&T sites in Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego, the statement said.
Other documents under seal show that fiber optic cables from the secret room tapped into WorldNet Internet subscribers, Klein said. The documents also instructed technicians how to connect cables to the secret room. Klein said he was required to connect circuits that fed information to the secret room.
The NSA declined directly to address the lawsuit or Klein's allegations, which covered activities at AT&T Corp. before SBC Communications Inc. bought it and became AT&T Inc. late last year.
"Any discussion about actual or alleged operational issues would be irresponsible as it would give our adversaries insight that would enable them to adjust and potentially inflict harm to the U.S.," NSA spokesman Don Weber said.
Michael Balmoris, an AT&T spokesman, said the San Antonio-based telecommunications company "follows all laws with respect to assistance offered to government agencies." He declined further elaboration, saying AT&T is "not in a position to comment on matters of national security or litigation."
President Bush confirmed in December that the NSA has been conducting the surveillance when calls and e-mails, in which at least one party is outside the United States, are thought to involve al-Qaida terrorists.
In congressional hearings last week, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales suggested the president could order the NSA to listen in on purely domestic calls without first obtaining a warrant from a secret court established nearly 30 years ago to consider such issues.
He said the administration, assuming the conversation related to al-Qaida, would have to determine if the surveillance were crucial to the nation's fight against terrorism, as authorized by Congress following the Sept. 11 attacks.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060414/ap_on_hi_te/domestic_spying_lawsuit
_DjScrew_
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neighbors internet FTW!!! haha jk.. but that would ****.
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COLUMBIA, Md. -- A disabled track star is suing the Howard County School System for the chance to compete with her teammates.
Tatyana McFadden, 16, races in a wheelchair but wants to be treated like any other runner. She was born with spina bifida, but she has overcome the disability to become a world-class athlete.
McFadden races track, plays wheelchair basketball and hockey, and swims. She won two medals in the 2004 Paralympics.
McFadden is a member of the track team at Atholton High School in Columbia, Md., but she's excluded from racing with her teammates in meets. Come race time, she watches from the sidelines, then goes around the track in a separate heat alone.
Deborah McFadden has filed a lawsuit in federal court to allow her daughter the chance to compete with her teammates. Tatyana McFadden is not asking to be timed the same. She just wants to be included.
The director of public relations for Howard County schools said it's an issue of safety -- an injury risk for McFadden, her teammates and opponents -- and that wheelchair track events and traditional ones are two different sports.
Her teammates say McFadden has taught them that being an athlete is not about having legs but about having heart.
McFadden has the full support of her teammates and their parents.
http://www.nbc4.com/news/8038590/detail.html
Tatyana McFadden, 16, races in a wheelchair but wants to be treated like any other runner. She was born with spina bifida, but she has overcome the disability to become a world-class athlete.
McFadden races track, plays wheelchair basketball and hockey, and swims. She won two medals in the 2004 Paralympics.
McFadden is a member of the track team at Atholton High School in Columbia, Md., but she's excluded from racing with her teammates in meets. Come race time, she watches from the sidelines, then goes around the track in a separate heat alone.
Deborah McFadden has filed a lawsuit in federal court to allow her daughter the chance to compete with her teammates. Tatyana McFadden is not asking to be timed the same. She just wants to be included.
The director of public relations for Howard County schools said it's an issue of safety -- an injury risk for McFadden, her teammates and opponents -- and that wheelchair track events and traditional ones are two different sports.
Her teammates say McFadden has taught them that being an athlete is not about having legs but about having heart.
McFadden has the full support of her teammates and their parents.
http://www.nbc4.com/news/8038590/detail.html
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what the deuce
Quit saying what the deuce.
KngOfThePkngLot
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well i guess i have a few different feelings about that...a) being..why not let her race, i mean its not like she wants to wint he track meet, she just wants a chance to do it with the real track team...not the wheelchair track..b) being....well i dont know but...it just doesnt seem right that a wheel chair would race aggainst legs...nothing really wrong with it...just doesnt seem right...but i say why the f*ck not.
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