why that was nice

[phantom240 5,000+ posts]

did you see my other one?

I took a bit more time on this one, and it can be modified to suit any need!

 

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

I think it's a bad idea. Personally, from the military perspective, I don't want to rely on someone who doesn't want to be there. There's enough screw-ups in the ranks as it is, this would just make it worse.
On a side note, even though I do not agree with a draft, I do think everyone should serve. I know, kind of contradictory, but hear me out. A draft would only be used in time of war. That's when you get all the wonderful anti-military people coming out of the woodwork. But if the country made it mandatory to serve 2 years in any branch of the armed forces, we would:

A: Have a bigger pool of people to go to war with if need be

B: Kids would have a better understanding of what the military is all about

C: Kids that aren't going to college would get trained in a skill they can use on the outside

D: Discipline, that's all!!

And I truly believe that if we made everyone serve it would greatly reduce the number of anti-military types, if for no other reason than the fact that people are less likely to bash something they were once a part of.

Think of it this way, you're 18, just graduated, with no desire to go to college. Unless you went to a vocational school, your job choices are limited. But, if you went in the service, they would teach you a job. In my case, aircraft maintenance. So you could be a crew chief like me, on any plane in the inventory! At 18 you would have your name painted on the side of YOUR plane! Considering the cheapest birds we have right now are around $30 million, that's a pretty big honor to bestow on a teenager. If turning wrenches isn't your thing, there are literally hundreds of jobs to choose from. Anywhere from medical, to human resources, to aircrew, to financial consultants, to payroll auditors, you name it, the military has it! They pay you to learn, give you college credits for every class you take for your job, give you money for college, and give you the all-important job experience. Really not a bad deal if you look at it!

Sorry, but this is probably the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Statements like this are the exact reason I don't live in countries such as China.

I know a shit ton about the military and I know plenty of people who have, and are currently serving...will I ever join? Hell ****ing no. Does that make me anti-military? I guess in some people's eyes, but it doesn't matter to me. I understand there is a need for a military and I respect those who volounteer...I will not, however, be forced into it myself. If a draft or mandatory enlistment is ever enacted, I'm moving out of the country.

To respond to your points...

A: The United States would have a sufficient amount of troops to defend our country if we weren't bothering with pointless wars that get us nowhere.

B: You do not have to be in the military to understand what it is about just like you don't have to be gay to understand what gay people do.

C: Yes, skills which will more than likely land them permanently in the low-end service or industrial sector if they do not complete further schooling outside the military. I dont feel there is anything wrong with this, but if you're interested in an above-average career the military is not the answer for the civillian population.

D: I do not want my kids to grow up with military diciplines. I act more mature than most people in the military I know. Blind execution of orders from the top down is not a very 'American' mindset.

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

politician's children don't get drafted...

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

If we have the draft we will have people like 1meangta in the military.
I would hate to have to serve with him.

I think it's a bad idea. Personally, from the military perspective, I don't want to rely on someone who doesn't want to be there. There's enough screw-ups in the ranks as it is, this would just make it worse.
On a side note, even though I do not agree with a draft, I do think everyone should serve. I know, kind of contradictory, but hear me out. A draft would only be used in time of war. That's when you get all the wonderful anti-military people coming out of the woodwork. But if the country made it mandatory to serve 2 years in any branch of the armed forces, we would:

A: Have a bigger pool of people to go to war with if need be

B: Kids would have a better understanding of what the military is all about

C: Kids that aren't going to college would get trained in a skill they can use on the outside

D: Discipline, that's all!!

And I truly believe that if we made everyone serve it would greatly reduce the number of anti-military types, if for no other reason than the fact that people are less likely to bash something they were once a part of.

Think of it this way, you're 18, just graduated, with no desire to go to college. Unless you went to a vocational school, your job choices are limited. But, if you went in the service, they would teach you a job. In my case, aircraft maintenance. So you could be a crew chief like me, on any plane in the inventory! At 18 you would have your name painted on the side of YOUR plane! Considering the cheapest birds we have right now are around $30 million, that's a pretty big honor to bestow on a teenager. If turning wrenches isn't your thing, there are literally hundreds of jobs to choose from. Anywhere from medical, to human resources, to aircrew, to financial consultants, to payroll auditors, you name it, the military has it! They pay you to learn, give you college credits for every class you take for your job, give you money for college, and give you the all-important job experience. Really not a bad deal if you look at it!

I don't mean a war time only draft, more like what you are talking about. A randomly chosen compulsory term of service. Not for 100% of the eligible population (that would be to many), but a certain number of people.

They drafted many people in ww2, and they still did an outstanding job even though they might not have wanted to be there.

I also think that they would be able to pick out the ones who aren't capable of making the grade, or have such an aversion to serving that they would compromise the mission or endanger their fellow troops lives (meaning people like 1meanGTA).

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

Sorry, but this is probably the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Statements like this are the exact reason I don't live in countries such as China.
I know a shit ton about the military and I know plenty of people who have, and are currently serving...will I ever join? Hell ****ing no. Does that make me anti-military? I guess in some people's eyes, but it doesn't matter to me. I understand there is a need for a military and I respect those who volounteer...I will not, however, be forced into it myself. If a draft or mandatory enlistment is ever enacted, I'm moving out of the country.

To respond to your points...

A: The United States would have a sufficient amount of troops to defend our country if we weren't bothering with pointless wars that get us nowhere.

B: You do not have to be in the military to understand what it is about just like you don't have to be gay to understand what gay people do.

C: Yes, skills which will more than likely land them permanently in the low-end service or industrial sector if they do not complete further schooling outside the military. I dont feel there is anything wrong with this, but if you're interested in an above-average career the military is not the answer for the civillian population.

D: I do not want my kids to grow up with military diciplines. I act more mature than most people in the military I know. Blind execution of orders from the top down is not a very 'American' mindset.

Ok, so you want to reap the benefits of a free country, but at the same time do nothing to maintain that freedom. Who's the ignorant one now? So why don't you go ahead, pack your bags, and move to Iran. If the country was forced to do a draft, obviously we would be in dire need. By you turning your back and running like a little ***** to another country, you have just proven that you sir should be used as a human shield on a tank.

Now to my points, and counter-points:

A: We went to war based on the best intelligence we had available at the time. Hind sight is always 20/20, unfortunately there is no crystal ball, like people like you seem to think there is.

B:Yes you do. If you have never experienced it, you have no clue what you're talking about so STFU.

C:Low end service sector?? So, I guess in your jaded view, medical personel are low class, so are lawyers and paralegals, oh, and my favorite, aircraft maintainers(me), all of these jobs WILL net you over 100k a year as a civilian, but I guess that's low class. I dare you to tell the mechanic wrenching on the airliner you're about to step on that he's low class. That "low class" person has your life in his hands moron, get a clue.

D:It's called doing what you're told. You have the right to refuse orders if they are unlawful, otherwise, get over it. And from your draft dodging comments I can already tell you are not as mature as you think you are since you refuse to live up to your responsibilities as a citizen of the United States. At the age of 18 you are required to register with selective service. If they feel like calling you up to serve, pack your bags, but don't pack too much because we're gonna give you all the clothes you need. If you haven't done it yet, that is a federal offense, and you can go to jail.

So basically, keep running your mouth. Because real men and women, that have a clue, are the ones that have provided you the right to do so. But God help you if they do reinstate the draft and you try to dodge it. Enjoying freedoms you did nothing to attain, and refuse to defend should be criminal.

 

[baseballer1100 5,000+ posts]

Draft all the illegals in the country, hopefully they end up getting KIA. Leave em there...
nG

Seriously?

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

I don't mean a war time only draft, more like what you are talking about. A randomly chosen compulsory term of service. Not for 100% of the eligible population (that would be to many), but a certain number of people.
They drafted many people in ww2, and they still did an outstanding job even though they might not have wanted to be there.

I also think that they would be able to pick out the ones who aren't capable of making the grade, or have such an aversion to serving that they would compromise the mission or endanger their fellow troops lives (meaning people like 1meanGTA).

The problem with your plan is: How do you choose who to draft?? Getting people like 1meanGTA wouldn't really be that big of a problem. Call it cleaning of the gene pool if you will. Those types would most likely be casualties of some form of "training accident". It really is amazing what can be covered up. If they have such an aversion to serving their country, then they should be deported. I'm sure France would welcome them with open arms.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

And it really wouldn't be too many people. You have to take into account the people who are medically ineligible for service.

And I agree, the guys in WWII did a commendable job. Whether they wanted to be there or not. I always find that funny, "wanted to be there". No one really ever WANTS to be in a war. Some people just aren't as bothered by it as others, for whatever reason.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

 

[gator4life 10+ year member]

PRIME EXAMPLE!
Remember the movie Saving Private Ryan and Cpl. Putnam the translator? He didn't want to go into combat, he was a typist sending reports to Washington. Remember the only thing he had to do was keep the machine guns supplied with ammo? And remember how he stood outside the door crying as his 2 squad mates were killed? Yea...I want a military filled with those 'tards...

Not to be dickish, I love the movie saving private ryan and the translators name is

Cpl. Timothy P. Upham

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

And I truly believe that if we made everyone serve it would greatly reduce the number of anti-military types, if for no other reason than the fact that people are less likely to bash something they were once a part of.

Assuming of course, that everyone feels war is the solution.

Obviously war is the solution, hell, look at Iraq. We invaded with no reason why, and no reason why we are still there, and we are solving all their problems.

There will never be a ww3 unless a US president starts it. No other country comes remotely close in military technology to even warrant us to worry about it. We are somewhere around 80 years ahead of the next country in terms of tech. It just isn't going to happen unless we start it. There is no more land to conquer, no more resources we can't already access, etc. It would only be started when a resource(oil...hmm...) would become scarce and we needed to take it for our own.

my money is the antichrist will start ww3.

 

[j3bus2k3 5,000+ posts]

Not to be dickish, I love the movie saving private ryan and the translators name is Cpl. Timothy P. Upham

I knew that wasn't right. Putnam just didn't sit right...but the example still stands //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

Ok, so you want to reap the benefits of a free country, but at the same time do nothing to maintain that freedom. Who's the ignorant one now? So why don't you go ahead, pack your bags, and move to Iran. If the country was forced to do a draft, obviously we would be in dire need. By you turning your back and running like a little ***** to another country, you have just proven that you sir should be used as a human shield on a tank.
Now to my points, and counter-points:

A: We went to war based on the best intelligence we had available at the time. Hind sight is always 20/20, unfortunately there is no crystal ball, like people like you seem to think there is.

B:Yes you do. If you have never experienced it, you have no clue what you're talking about so STFU.

C:Low end service sector?? So, I guess in your jaded view, medical personel are low class, so are lawyers and paralegals, oh, and my favorite, aircraft maintainers(me), all of these jobs WILL net you over 100k a year as a civilian, but I guess that's low class. I dare you to tell the mechanic wrenching on the airliner you're about to step on that he's low class. That "low class" person has your life in his hands moron, get a clue.

D:It's called doing what you're told. You have the right to refuse orders if they are unlawful, otherwise, get over it. And from your draft dodging comments I can already tell you are not as mature as you think you are since you refuse to live up to your responsibilities as a citizen of the United States. At the age of 18 you are required to register with selective service. If they feel like calling you up to serve, pack your bags, but don't pack too much because we're gonna give you all the clothes you need. If you haven't done it yet, that is a federal offense, and you can go to jail.

So basically, keep running your mouth. Because real men and women, that have a clue, are the ones that have provided you the right to do so. But God help you if they do reinstate the draft and you try to dodge it. Enjoying freedoms you did nothing to attain, and refuse to defend should be criminal.

Two things I know about you from your posts:

You definately grew up in the south

You definately are good at believing things blindly

Don't even get me started with your answer to A. If you call a half-informed report from ONE guy who openly says he wasn't sure about it, and informed report enough to INVADE A COUNTRY AND KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, then you sir, are ignorant, and there is no point in arguing with me because we will never see eye to eye. Formulate some response, and I might get back to you in a few days if I feel like it.

politician's children don't get drafted...

Does the phrase George W. Bush mean anything to anyone?

Anyone at all...

anyone.....

yes people, we SHOULD have faith in politicians!! Yay for American Democracy......

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

There will never be a ww3 unless a US president starts it. No other country comes remotely close in military technology to even warrant us to worry about it. QUOTE]

Umm, how about you go back to your bong. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hilarious.gif.02a037aad04aa96f19982b298a3d70a8.gif Ever hear of this place called CHINA??

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Ok, so you want to reap the benefits of a free country, but at the same time do nothing to maintain that freedom. Who's the ignorant one now? So why don't you go ahead, pack your bags, and move to Iran. If the country was forced to do a draft, obviously we would be in dire need. By you turning your back and running like a little ***** to another country, you have just proven that you sir should be used as a human shield on a tank.
Now to my points, and counter-points:

A: We went to war based on the best intelligence we had available at the time. Hind sight is always 20/20, unfortunately there is no crystal ball, like people like you seem to think there is.

B:Yes you do. If you have never experienced it, you have no clue what you're talking about so STFU.

C:Low end service sector?? So, I guess in your jaded view, medical personel are low class, so are lawyers and paralegals, oh, and my favorite, aircraft maintainers(me), all of these jobs WILL net you over 100k a year as a civilian, but I guess that's low class. I dare you to tell the mechanic wrenching on the airliner you're about to step on that he's low class. That "low class" person has your life in his hands moron, get a clue.

D:It's called doing what you're told. You have the right to refuse orders if they are unlawful, otherwise, get over it. And from your draft dodging comments I can already tell you are not as mature as you think you are since you refuse to live up to your responsibilities as a citizen of the United States. At the age of 18 you are required to register with selective service. If they feel like calling you up to serve, pack your bags, but don't pack too much because we're gonna give you all the clothes you need. If you haven't done it yet, that is a federal offense, and you can go to jail.

So basically, keep running your mouth. Because real men and women, that have a clue, are the ones that have provided you the right to do so. But God help you if they do reinstate the draft and you try to dodge it. Enjoying freedoms you did nothing to attain, and refuse to defend should be criminal.

I usually don't participate in these opinion based arguments but here is my take

1) without people behind the lines, soldiers wouldn't be able to fight. If people WHO PAY TAXES TO SUPPORT THE WAR also work at foundry and other factories also help the soldiers

2) If you work for the government in any of those occupations, it is difficult to earn much over 80k as most of the jobs are GS-13. It is more difficult for military to transfer into current civilian managerial positions. I work the military, it is rather top down and not as collaborative as many white-collar private industry occupations. They do have advantages in getting into good MBA programs where they can be exposed to a more collaborative type work enviornment.

3) What if I believe their decision is incorrect or not the best. If I think my superior's decision might get me killed, I should be able to appeal. If he doesn't have the best interest of his company involved, it is hard for me to trust him. At work, if I believe the supervisor has made a poor decsion and asks me to execute, I make him sign a statement proving his request, and when shit hits the fan, I covered my ***.

4)As for draft dodging should be illegal, it is already illegal dumbass.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

There will never be a ww3 unless a US president starts it. No other country comes remotely close in military technology to even warrant us to worry about it. QUOTE]

Umm, how about you go back to your bong. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/hilarious.gif.02a037aad04aa96f19982b298a3d70a8.gif Ever hear of this place called CHINA??

You mean the place that we have good relations with and sell our old, crappy military missiles to? You mean the place where they don't even have enough guns to equip each person in their military? Or the place where their aresnal of weapons is decades old compared to what we use today?

That place?

And oh, I quite smoking a long time ago. You should probably pick it up so you can rationalize your train of thought to something comprehendable, because now you just sound oh-so intelligent.