why no 2ohm speakers?

I've switched from an 8ohm to a 4ohm sub (same brand same model). Output was NOT the same. I've switched from 8ohm to 6ohm at my home, output was NOT the same. I can't tell you why in any technical sense, but that link is a bunch of malarky.
thumbs up for proving your point. that was such a controlled experiment, it certainly proves by lowering the impedance changes the output! way to go! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

also we aren't talking bout subs here buddy, we are talking about mids.

 
thumbs up for proving your point //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
If you want to believe everything you read on some forum, that's certainly your right. I'll trust my ears. btw - The home speakers weren't subs. I got quite a bit more output.

And sorry for trying to share my real world experience instead of linking some other forum thread. Sheesh.

 
If you want to believe everything you read on some forum, that's certainly your right. I'll trust my ears.
oh please, the guy was just explaining why its okay to use an 8 ohm driver. there are things in that article that CANNOT be disputed. the equation of efficiency, cannot be disputed. things called FACTS. you shoulda listened to my car when i had some peerless SLS (8 ohm midbasses) in my car. getting around 75 watts each and absolutely pounded. your lil argument is clearly not valid as are you doing a direct swap of the same speaker but lower impedance or just two different subs? if two different subs, then again, not valid as the speaker design is probably the factor in difference in output //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif.

 
i have no problem people sharing their real world experiences but when you go and say the article is bs or whatever the hell malarky means and have no evidence or facts behind it, thats when i have a problem.

 
i have no problem people sharing their real world experiences but when you go and say the article is bs or whatever the hell malarky means and have no evidence or facts behind it, thats when i have a problem.
Real world experience is not evidence but linking somebody else's opinion on a forum is? Sure body. Case and point right there. My apologies. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 
Real world experience is not evidence but linking somebody else's opinion on a forum is? Sure body. Case and point right there. My apologies. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
like i said, how is the article "malarky?" where's the evidence that it is "marlarky?" oh its because you heard something different. then why? why did you hear something different? please explain me how does the equation of efficiency invalid in your case? like i said show some FACTS that the article is "malarky" and then we'll have a real argument here. also like i said you are comparing apples to oranges. you comparing subs when we are talking about mids here. please.....

 
"Efficiency = ( B^2 * L^2 ) / ( R * Sd^2 * Mms^2 )

B = magnetic field strength

L = length of wire

R = resistance

Sd = surface area

Mms = mass

So for your 8 ohm voice coil, using the same wire as a 4 ohm voice coil, you would need twice the L or length to get an 8 ohm impedance. That makes sense doesn't it? A longer wire will have more resistance. Now, looking at the formula above, doubling L actually causes your efficiency to rise, even though the impedance also rises. So in this very oversimplified example, raising the impedance actually causes efficiency to go up and lowering the impedance actually causes a loss of efficiency."

Not sure but I think he's overlooking mass. As a denominator, it would at least partially offset the his length of wire. Seems like more wire in the voice coil = more mass you have to move.

 
"Efficiency = ( B^2 * L^2 ) / ( R * Sd^2 * Mms^2 )
B = magnetic field strength

L = length of wire

R = resistance

Sd = surface area

Mms = mass

Not sure but I think he's overlooking mass. As a denominator, it would at least partially offset the his length of wire. Seems like more wire in the voice coil = more mass you have to move.
Would you care to explain what Mms is then? How about mechanical Q (Qms). Mass is taken into the equation. And you are correct it is a detractor, as stated in the above formula.

Npdang even says it's a very simplified explanation. Fact is though, that it's still accurate. You're calling out one of the most respected members of the car audio community. He's also well known in home audio circles. He knows his stuff. If you want to challenge him, then by all means do so. I'd like to see it. He's very professional, and very approachable. He also deals in facts, and not opinion, unless you're talking subjective sound quality analysis. He's also the founder of that forum. The sub on the front page is designed by him, and quite a piece of equipment.

So, you have yet to prove to any of us "kids" that you have objective, factual data to dispute what he states. Which, remember he states as "can be beneficial", not will be beneficial.

You haven't provided any data to support your conclusions. Now I will admit, again, that it's a very simplified explanation that we're giving. If you have some real world experience that produces varying results, then great. I have real world experience that reinforce Npdang's statements.

Also, in the case of subs, you have a lot more mass to move. More power can equate to higher output over a moderately more efficient sub with a higher impedance. Also, we're talking about low frequency response. Hoffman's Law has a whole lot to do with it.

You stated same sub. Is it the same sub, in the same box, ran off the same amp, just a different impedance? There are so many variables that can affect how a sub performs beyond just impedance and power supplied.

Comparing two different home audio setups, (6 ohm to an 8 ohm), you once again, haven't supplied us with models, or any other data than "the 6 ohm was louder". Once again, low extension, drivers, box alignment, and so many other variables that you haven't stated need to be taken into account.

I'm not disputing that one was louder than the other. There is so much else that needs to go into that statement before you can objectively debunk anything Npdang has said.

You won't make many friends by trying to trash Npdang. Like I said, he's extremely well respected, and one of the most approachable people in car audio. He is without ego, and the elite attitude that comes with many of the big shots in car audio.

So, again, I ask you to really challenge his statements, from a technical standpoint.

 
There's a whole lot more to it than any of these generalizations take into account.

You can't categorically say that lower impedance drivers are less efficient. In the example of the ID Chameloens they have the same efficiency measured at 1W*m (rather than 2.83V*1m as most speakers are rated.).

Secondly. Take the equation and look at the relationship between the different variables. There is an exponentional relation between the length of wire in the gap and the resisitance of that wire. If you double the length of wire, you will double the resistance but increase the BL product by 4x. Since you don't also double the Mms (there's way more than the coil involved in the moving mass) you will get an increase in driver efficiency.

Third, you can't make a simple half the wire double the wire comparison and get a valid result. If you did that, the 8 ohm dirver would flat walk all over the 4 ohm version. The 4 ohm version would see more current for a given wattage with less wire in the coil to shed the heat. It would therefore have lower thermal power handling and be less efficient.

There has to be a change in the diameter of the coil wire in addition to the length to keep power handling about the same. That makes for an increase in the L portion but an increase in the Mms as well.

Samson, real world though your example may have been scientific it wasn't even close.

 
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