What is wrong with Employees?

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

My posting fluctuates with work load. If there are no fires to put out, then a fireman has nothing to do.

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

That would depend on your employer, I suppose. Every place I have worked wanted employers just to do as their told without causing a fuss.

I guess that's why you speak your mind on here, no one else wants to hear your whining where you work.

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CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If I had 2 employees who were equal in all other aspects and one that showed up a little earlier I would probably pick the one who showed up earlier. It just shows the motivation to be at work and to do the job, moreso that the one showing up last minute.

CT

Pick them for what?

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

My posting fluctuates with work load. If there are no fires to put out, then a fireman has nothing to do.

You'll never be able to put out my fire I have for you!

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I guess that's why you speak your mind on here, no one else wants to hear your whining where you work.

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CT

You may call it whining....I don't really understand how.

I don't understand how it is whining to say there is no reason to exceed the expectations of an employer. I am not advocating coming in late, I am not advocating sabatoging equipment, and I am not advocating substandard perfromance.

What I am advocating is an honest days pay for an honest days work.

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

Where did I advocate subsidies?
You are the one who said the investor class should get taxed at a higher rate because they have the greatest ability to pay. What political system is that from?

If you are poor enough, the govt provides subsidies.
I would say your example effects middle class moreso than the poor.

It is a Democratic belief, in the grand scheme of things, though, wouldn't you think it would be fair for the richer folks to pay more?

This type of belief that you harbor is Capitalistic, without a doubt.

It divides the middle class and separates us into a country with the wealthiest of the wealthy, and brings everyone else into poverty.

If you take a look at things our middle class is going down, and bringing the rest of the nation with it.

How are you going to invest and make capital if you have no one here consuming/exchanging capital?

If all of your money relies on foreign countries?

CT

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

Pick them for what?

I'm sorry you couldn't read into that one.

If I were looking to promote.

CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

So I am a liberal capitalist?

Is that an oxymoron? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

You may call it whining....I don't really understand how.
I don't understand how it is whining to say there is no reason to exceed the expectations of an employer. I am not advocating coming in late, I am not advocating sabatoging equipment, and I am not advocating substandard perfromance.

What I am advocating is an honest days pay for an honest days work.

That's fine, but in the first posts I read you were looking into more incentives and reasons to perform. Special incentives to perform and so on.

My idea is that you should just perform better than the rest, regardless of incentives.

This separates you from the pack, and makes you more likely to get promoted and so on.

CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I'm sorry you couldn't read into that one.

If I were looking to promote.

CT

That that changes the game completely.

Not everyone is in an occupation where there are promotion opportunities. I, for instance, cannot be promoted unless I transfer to another agency. I would say people who work in Joe's cell phone shop have limited opportunities for promotion as well.

In situations where opportunities for raises, promotions, perhaps non-financial incentives are present, then actions such as coming in early, staying late, "going the extra mile" are validated.

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

So I am a liberal capitalist?
Is that an oxymoron? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

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Whatever you want to be bro.

I can't say I necessarily agree with you.

But I do like the debates we get into.

CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

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Whatever you want to be bro.

I can't say I necessarily agree with you.

But I do like the debates we get into.

CT

Indeed. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I'd like to see your perspective on the post above the quoted one.

 

[nosaj070 10+ year member]

I think you need to take a class on management/organizational behavior, you might get all your questions answered

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

That that changes the game completely.
Not everyone is in an occupation where there are promotion opportunities. I, for instance, cannot be promoted unless I transfer to another agency. I would say people who work in Joe's cell phone shop have limited opportunities for promotion as well.

In situations where opportunities for raises, promotions, perhaps non-financial incentives are present, then actions such as coming in early, staying late, "going the extra mile" are validated.

I do it regardless.

Must be the Pittsburgh in me.

I just like getting in there and catching a groove, nonetheless, I believe that opportunity will surround you if you are willing to go the extra mile even if you work at Joe's. It builds a good ethic, and makes you more liable to find better employment somewhere.

I'm not college educated, I'm just a tradesman. I never worked in an office. I just work, and earn my money, I show up early and I do what is required.

I take pride in my work, and I try to put the best product possible out, within the guidelines of tyhe company I work for.

I keep a neat shop and I treat my fellow emplyees with respect. I don't see any other reason to, other than this is the right way to be.

CT

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

An employee showing up late for work (chronically, not once in a while) shows a lack of work ethic and carelessness in their stance at the job. I.e., "They need me, they can't get by without me." - YOU'RE FIRED

An employee who shows up right on time for work every time says they are there to do their job because it's required of them and they aren't going the extra mile. Nothing wrong with it, but this is the type of person that will most likely end up in an entry-level job with a few raises here and there for a long time. From my management perspective.

An employee who shows up 10-15 minutes early every day to get things situated and be ready to make a sale the minute the doors open is a good employee who acts proactively and is concerned about what his employer thinks of him. These are the employees who generally will work better, more efficiently, and be more productive for their employer... they will move into supervisory roles or management, have long careers and may not retire rich, but will be the backbone of a strong company.

An employees job is to make the owner's job easier.... I feel sorry for my parents because too many of their employees make their jobs harder. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

There are, of course, some exceptions to the above.

For example:

Over the spring, I worked at a restaurant part-time, 3 nights a week as a steak cook. My job was to come in at 4PM and get the stuff ready to open the doors at 5. Not much for me to do, really, just put out all our plates and cooking accessories on the grill, and slice and butter loaves of bread for grilling (we toasted bread on the grill to go with meals). So, a week or two, I show up at 4PM, do my job, no big deal... as time goes by, I find slightly more efficient ways of doing these small things and eventually, I'm coming in at 4:20-4:25, but it's always done and ready to open the doors at 5PM.

I don't see a problem with that, as my job is done more efficiently, and I was actually saving a couple bucks here and there for my employer.

Meanwhile, I go out of my way to help other staff members out... helping the waitresses get their side dishes set on each plate, making it easier for them to get their orders out, carrying things when I see these little girls trying to lift them, helping out the dishwashers at night after closing so I'm not leaving 30 minutes before them, even though my work is finished.... etc.

And it was noticed... I got a raise in the first couple of weeks, the waitresses LOVED me... I mean, it made me feel really good about such a shitty job when I would walk in the door and all the waitresses faces would light up to see me. They LOVED working with me... why? Because I made their jobs easier, and was not a complainer, listened to all their gripes and was non-judgemental. Simple.

****, if I hadn't been married, I guarantee I would have gotten a ton of hot *** out of that job from some fine-*** women. Not that I'm the least bit hot or anything, but women respond to a man who treats them with respect and chivalry... not condescension, but honest respect.

So that's a little about my perspective on work. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif