What is wrong with Employees?

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

In effect, if the possibilities for promotions/raises exist, an employee would be more inclined to be more productive, come in early, etc.

As with Thieroff, let's take a hypothetical situation where raises and promotions are not possible...is the incentive the same? Although there may be some personal satisfaction in going above and beyond...but is that enough? Should it be enough?

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

Flip, just so you know..

I don't disagree with you for the sake of disagreeing.

I just don't see things the same way.

I grew up poor, and I'm probably still considered that.

I work for everything I have, everything I have I own.

Don't owe any money to anybody, and am responsible.

My father doesn't have healthcare and he's diabetic. He's 57 years old and hit a dead end after my parents split up. Home went into foreclosure.

He got a 10k+ bill the other day for some time he spent in the hospital, and due to the foreclosure doesn't have the credit to get a loan to pay it off, and they won't accept payments.

So I see this stuff first hand bro, growing up it was like "keep the electric on or get food to eat."

CT

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

In effect, if the possibilities for promotions/raises exist, an employee would be more inclined to be more productive, come in early, etc.
As with Thieroff, let's take a hypothetical situation where raises and promotions are not possible...is the incentive the same? Although there may be some personal satisfaction in going above and beyond...but is that enough? Should it be enough?

Haha, you already know how I feel about this.

I know, in my experiences, that if I live life, doing just enough to scrape by that's how I am perceived by others.

If I do a little extra people see this. I have people wanting me to work for them on side ventures strictly because they know how I work. Know what I'm saying?

CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I don't either.

I noticed and saw what the lack of money did to my parents. How they could not enjoy the finer things in life.

I saw the opportunities they missed and I vowed to never be poor like them. Which is why I go to school to ensure that I will always have job opportunities, try so hard to mitigate financial risks (such as not having *** until I had a job where I could afford to support a child in the instance I got a girl preggo, not smoking, not doing drugs, etc). I do the best I can to put myself in the best situation possible.

But from a labor economics persepctive, it seems that some businesses exploit the work ethic of hard working citizens.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

He got a 10k+ bill the other day for some time he spent in the hospital, and due to the foreclosure doesn't have the credit to get a loan to pay it off, and they won't accept payments.

They don't have a choice but to accept payments. Look into the laws on credit, collections and healthcare.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Haha, you already know how I feel about this.
I know, in my experiences, that if I live life, doing just enough to scrape by that's how I am perceived by others.

If I do a little extra people see this. I have people wanting me to work for them on side ventures strictly because they know how I work. Know what I'm saying?

CT

I see...and that is a valid point I didn't consider. How often do these side ventures come up?

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

I don't either.
I noticed and saw what the lack of money did to my parents. How they could not enjoy the finer things in life.

I saw the opportunities they missed and I vowed to never be poor like them. Which is why I go to school to ensure that I will always have job opportunities, try so hard to mitigate financial risks (such as not having *** until I had a job where I could afford to support a child in the instance I got a girl preggo, not smoking, not doing drugs, etc). I do the best I can to put myself in the best situation possible.

But from a labor economics persepctive, it seems that some businesses exploit the work ethic of hard working citizens.

Sure they do. Capitalism at its finest.

But credit companies exploit their lendees.

If you make it a point to be responsible with the card then you will not be taken advantage of.

If you play the game correctly you cannot be taken advantage of.

But, we all have to take our licks. Take the good with the bad.

If I can get into a place, get paid for my work and get treated decently then we are on the same plain.

Otherwise, it is up to me, the employee, to get out of a situation in which I'm being taken advantage of.

CT

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

I see...and that is a valid point I didn't consider. How often do these side ventures come up?

Although they aren't my bread and butter, and are just smaller tasks, weekly if I want to.

I do side work in processing wild game, and in home maintenance and repair.

People would not have me do this for them if I weren't worth their while.

CT

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

But from a labor economics persepctive, it seems that some businesses exploit the work ethic of hard working citizens.

My worth ethic took a dive after I was a model employee for a particlular software engineering firm. I always showed up on time (even early, and stayed late often), I traveled almost bi-weekly to all over the united states to remote job sites and wrote software on the fly from my hotel room. My length of hours at work varied from 8-14 hours a day while I was traveling. I literally had enough fequent flyer miles for 3 round trip tickets to New Zealand in first class, if thats any reflection of the amount of travel I did. I also developed many software as well as mechanical engineering aspects for the product we sold even though I wasnt in the Engineering department, and I know my designs are still the backbone of the software I developed even years after I left the company.

I didnt get paid real well, even though I was promised "you'd move up quick" but the nature of the company wouldnt promote from within. I made the company literally 200 million dollars, and saw nothing more than a measly $1000 bonus after a year.

You've seen the product I developed every time you go thru the drive-thru at Mcdonalds and Burger king - its the LCD display that shows you what you ordered. Every time you see your shitty cheeseburger ordered on that screen, thats my software parsing the register systems' rs-232 reciept output for data then logging it in a database as it displays on the screen in front of your car window.

Due to my innovation and development for this product, the company made literally hundreds of millions of dollars and I was not given anything. Even though I was an exceptional employee, I was treated like shit so I ended up quitting and working for the Goverment instead. At least with the DoD/DoE i know where I stand //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Sometimes, good employee's get shat on and no longer have the will to do anything more than what is required. My case is clearly of that nature.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

This is true.... good point snoop.

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

My worth ethic took a dive after I was a model employee for a particlular software engineering firm. I always showed up on time (even early, and stayed late often), I traveled almost bi-weekly to all over the united states to remote job sites and wrote software on the fly from my hotel room. My length of hours at work varied from 8-14 hours a day while I was traveling. I literally had enough fequent flyer miles for 3 round trip tickets to New Zealand in first class, if thats any reflection of the amount of travel I did. I also developed many software as well as mechanical engineering aspects for the product we sold even though I wasnt in the Engineering department, and I know my designs are still the backbone of the software I developed even years after I left the company.
I didnt get paid real well, even though I was promised "you'd move up quick" but the nature of the company wouldnt promote from within. I made the company literally 200 million dollars, and saw nothing more than a measly $1000 bonus after a year.

You've seen the product I developed every time you go thru the drive-thru at Mcdonalds and Burger king - its the LCD display that shows you what you ordered. Every time you see your shitty cheeseburger ordered on that screen, thats my software parsing the register systems' rs-232 reciept output for data then logging it in a database as it displays on the screen in front of your car window.

Due to my innovation and development for this product, the company made literally hundreds of millions of dollars and I was not given anything. Even though I was an exceptional employee, I was treated like shit so I ended up quitting and working for the Goverment instead. At least with the DoD/DoE i know where I stand //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Sometimes, good employee's get shat on and no longer have the will to do anything more than what is required. My case is clearly of that nature.

That is an unfortunate story Snoop.

CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Snoop, since you know where I work, I think you know why I have the perspective that I do.

I'd think you agree with my stance about incentives to go the extra mile.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Lemme ask you Snoop.... why the **** do those screen hardly ever work???? I mean, I can understand if it won't light up at all, blah blah... but I'm talking when it literally says on the screen -

"This screen is here to help ensure order accuracy."

So the power and screen actually work... but the order never shows up. JEEZ that's annoying! Is this some problem in the database? Is it usually an easy fix, like just rebooting your machine, etc.? Do the people in the store KNOW that it's not showing up? Like do they have a display that mirrors what we are seeing in the drive-thru? 'Cause I really wanna scream at them when they can't get my **** order right....

Just curious. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[DBDRAGGUY 10+ year member]

That sounds like an excellent plan, that way you can always work shitty jobs and never get anywhere in your life. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
Employers can tell you what to do because you WORK FOR THEM. Just think about that for a second, they don't work for you.... YOU WORK FOR THEM.

Now, I do understand that a lot of places don't appreciate good workers, that is just a bad job but I think there is a point where some thing become unacceptable.

Think about it like this, you need to get new windows put into your house before winter. You hire some guys to come and do it. You have 1 month to install the windows it before it is going to snow and freeze and be all sorts of hell. It takes about 1 month to install them normally, so you should be perfectly ok on the time. You are also paying the guys by the day to do the job. They come and work and it takes them 2 months to do the job. Why, because when you aren't home they are sniffing your wife/girlfriends panties and playing on the computer. So, not only does the job not get done by the time it should have you paid them pretty much to play on the internet and get their jollies on your girls snatch smell.

Anyway, I think that you are misguided on your ideas however. Most jobs that pay well are going to be demanding and harder work, that just comes with the pay increase. I guess to some that would come as being 'bossy' or what have you. It is also not true that if you 'respect' them they will respect you. This is dead wrong. We do everything we can humanly do to make things great for our employees and all some of them do is slap us in the face.

I think you missed my point. A. I am self employed. B. I worked the same $60k job for almost 9 years and realized no matter how much of yourself you put into your job it will always be for someone elses benefit, and someone else will dictate how much money you can make. If you cant keep your people off the internet, then that is a reflection of your leadership skills. Maybe they dont respect you, maybe they dont take you seriously,or maybe they dont care about there jobs. Whatever the reason it is your job to motivate them and if you cant motivate them replace them. I did hire some guys to put windows in over the summer, and the job was completed on time and at the price agreed upon. If I would have hired 5 drunks and trusted them to do the job with a winter deadline then i would have been an idiot for getting inferior personel to do the job. I can see this from your point of view, I subcontract some jobs out from time to time and if my contactor doesn't do the job in a timey fashion then it hurts my business.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

Lemme ask you Snoop.... why the **** do those screen hardly ever work???? I mean, I can understand if it won't light up at all, blah blah... but I'm talking when it literally says on the screen -
"This screen is here to help ensure order accuracy."

So the power and screen actually work... but the order never shows up. JEEZ that's annoying! Is this some problem in the database? Is it usually an easy fix, like just rebooting your machine, etc.? Do the people in the store KNOW that it's not showing up? Like do they have a display that mirrors what we are seeing in the drive-thru? 'Cause I really wanna scream at them when they can't get my **** order right....

Just curious. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I feel ya bro. I want my software to show your grease infested meal on there correclty, but really its the in store registers that are usually the problem. In McDondals and burger king stores, there are varying brands of register systems they use to take orders with. Initially Mcdonalds asked for only 5 of their register types to be used, then two years later they wanted 56 other register formats to show up on the same screen correctly in exactly the same format. Being that there are so many formats, usually the manager doesnt have the register set up correctly to display output from the line printer so my software has nowhere to look for data. So thats why my screen just sits out there and shows pretty jpeg's of sandwhiches instead of doing its job.