What is wrong with Employees?

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

It amazes me the amount of really useful people... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
No hard feelings... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

It amazes me

-that businesses expect underpaid employees to overperform.

-that businesses expect employees with transitive skills to have a vested interest in their employer.

-that businesses don't understand it is easier for me to find another job than it is for you to replace me.

-that businesses do not respect the individual talents employees possess.

-that businesses expect more than an honest days pay for an honest days work

-that businesses do not provide incentives for higher productivity. (in your case, if they got the same amount of work done, but didn't surf the internet would they still be bad employees?)

-that businesses (especially small ones) do not take courses in labor economics and fully understand the relationship between management and labor. They have a simplistic view that labor is an input into production and thats it.

-that businesses do not understand that labor is actually a business unto itself. It is up to the each individual labor unit to maximize income. If you look at a production curve, you see that recieving 8 units of income for 50% effort is a better for the employee than recieving 12 units of income for 100% effot.

-that businesses don't understant that any employee that is more productive that the average marginal product of labor is donating to chairty...and there is no valid economic argument that would give reason to be more producitve, unless there are future incentives. Since you are a small business, opportunities for growth are few. A very productive employee would realize the ineffeciencies and ineffectiveness of the current management staff, create their own business, and put yours to ruin.

-lastly, but not of least.....have you ever surfed the internet at work? I understand you are the owner's son and all...but have you? If you have, then you are no better than any of them. You may have a vested interest in the perpetuation of the business, but you are no better. Even if you own the business, I doubt your creditors, suppliers, customers will think highly of your lacksadaisical work ethic.

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

if the money is wack, then the job is too.
I would say it depends on the pay. and how much you like the job. people who need a job need it, those who parents tell them to get one... are gonna sit on theyre fone.

unless theyre older, then ur shit out of luck.

How do you ever expect to make any real money with an attitude like that.

Most people are of the opinion that they will walk into a 50k+ job a year and never have to eat any shit in order to get that job.

And when they don't make the money they want they give a bad attitude.

CT

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

It amazes me -that businesses expect underpaid employees to overperform.

-that businesses expect employees with transitive skills to have a vested interest in their employer.

-that businesses don't understand it is easier for me to find another job than it is for you to replace me.

-that businesses do not respect the individual talents employees possess.

-that businesses expect more than an honest days pay for an honest days work

-that businesses do not provide incentives for higher productivity. (in your case, if they got the same amount of work done, but didn't surf the internet would they still be bad employees?)

-that businesses (especially small ones) do not take courses in labor economics and fully understand the relationship between management and labor. They have a simplistic view that labor is an input into production and thats it.

-that businesses do not understand that labor is actually a business unto itself. It is up to the each individual labor unit to maximize income. If you look at a production curve, you see that recieving 8 units of income for 50% effort is a better for the employee than recieving 12 units of income for 100% effot.

-that businesses don't understant that any employee that is more productive that the average marginal product of labor is donating to chairty...and there is no valid economic argument that would give reason to be more producitve, unless there are future incentives. Since you are a small business, opportunities for growth are few. A very productive employee would realize the ineffeciencies and ineffectiveness of the current management staff, create their own business, and put yours to ruin.

-lastly, but not of least.....have you ever surfed the internet at work? I understand you are the owner's son and all...but have you? If you have, then you are no better than any of them. You may have a vested interest in the perpetuation of the business, but you are no better. Even if you own the business, I doubt your creditors, suppliers, customers will think highly of your lacksadaisical work ethic.

I think that you, quite possibly are one of those liberal douche bags that think they should have everything handed to them.

All of those example you have there are bullshit excuses with some type of justification to underperform.

In my humble experiences, if you show up for work early, if you do your job to the best of your ability, if you show an interest in your work and are knowledgeable about it they will find a way to get you taken care of.

If you go and whine and talk about how bad you've got it you will get it bad.

I know people who have immigrated legally to this country, they had no money for anything and lived in the dirt. You're whining about incentives. Typical US "Individuality" and all that. Jobs don't hire you to be individual, they hire you to get done what they need done.

If you do that well you will get what you deserve.

If you don't then you will also reap what you sow.

Whining puts this in the latter catergory.

CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Did I ever advocate underperforming?

I only advocate meeting expectations, and not exceeding them.

My duty hours are 7:30 - 4. I arrive at 7:30, I leave at 4 (unless there is something that causes me to have to extend the hours to finish a project). Why show up for work early without compensation? That doesn't make any sense.

Furthermore, I selected my employer. When I interview, I think...is this the type of place I want to work for, etc.

I guess if I was limited to only one job, could only get one job, or something....I may value my employer more. Currently, the demand for help exceeds the demand for work.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Lastly, how dare you call be some liberal douche who expects things handed to them when in another thread you pushed for reprocussions against businesses who "improperly" treated the poor. Like they said in the Lion King, "Have you got your lions crossed."

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

Did I ever advocate underperforming?
I only advocate meeting expectations, and not exceeding them.

My duty hours are 7:30 - 4. I arrive at 7:30, I leave at 4 (unless there is something that causes me to have to extend the hours to finish a project). Why show up for work early without compensation? That doesn't make any sense.

Furthermore, I selected my employer. When I interview, I think...is this the type of place I want to work for, etc.

I guess if I was limited to only one job, could only get one job, or something....I may value my employer more. Currently, the demand for help exceeds the demand for work.

I generally show up 10-15 minutes early, doesn't mean that I am actually working, but for your employer to see that it means a lot to them.

I would think that if you exceed an employers expectations they will try and exceed yours if you build a track record with them.

CT

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Try wireless sales...
A couple of the best members of our sales staff are ex car sales folks...

Cell phones? Oh, ****, you didn't tell me you were the effing DEVIL.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I generally show up 10-15 minutes early, doesn't mean that I am actually working, but for your employer to see that it means a lot to them.
I would think that if you exceed an employers expectations they will try and exceed yours if you build a track record with them.

CT

That would depend on your employer, I suppose. Every place I have worked wanted employers just to do as their told without causing a fuss.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

I generally show up 10-15 minutes early, doesn't mean that I am actually working, but for your employer to see that it means a lot to them.
I would think that if you exceed an employers expectations they will try and exceed yours if you build a track record with them.

CT

My parents recently fired their "manager" of one of their stores for being late 133 times in six months.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Would you give him a raise if he arrived 15 minutes early?

Would he have been punished if he arrived exactly on duty time every time?

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

Lastly, how dare you call be some liberal douche who expects things handed to them when in another thread you pushed for reprocussions against businesses who "improperly" treated the poor. Like they said in the Lion King, "Have you got your lions crossed."

You've got your facts wrong.

Also, you quoted the Lion King. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Haha this further negates the validity of your comment, although I will go into detail about it if you will like.

I never directly stated that emplyers are to blame.

Here, look it up.

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288362

More specifically I stated that the welfare system is misguided, and that the lending companies are taking from the poorest people, in greed.

Costs of food and healthcare were also more prominent arguments in the other thread. Not to mention outsourcing of jobs.

Never spoke of opression from the employer.

You're the one talking about handouts and government subsidies. That's a liberal belief my friend.

You'd make a good politicians, with all your bullshit.

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CT

 

[Thieroff 10+ year member]

Would you give him a raise if he arrived 15 minutes early?
Would he have been punished if he arrived exactly on duty time every time?

This is kind of a skewed statement.

The answer to you're questions.

If he arrived early every day it would seem as if he were motivated to get in and do his job.

To the other question, of course not.

If I had 2 employees who were equal in all other aspects and one that showed up a little earlier I would probably pick the one who showed up earlier. It just shows the motivation to be at work and to do the job, moreso that the one showing up last minute.

CT

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Would you give him a raise if he arrived 15 minutes early?
Would he have been punished if he arrived exactly on duty time every time?

Asking me?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Where did I advocate subsidies?

You are the one who said the investor class should get taxed at a higher rate because they have the greatest ability to pay. What political system is that from?

You must not of had the right perspective on the question.

I would think that the 100 or so dollars that the poorer folks get taxed would mean more to them than what you are getting taxed on your investments.

Unless it hurts your pride to see the government take your money.

If the taxes you are getting on your money are hurting you in a way where you are going broke you're obviously in the wrong business anyways.

CT

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Asking me?

yes. Just curious from an ownership perspective.