What is wrong with Employees?

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

Snoop, since you know where I work, I think you know why I have the perspective that I do.
I'd think you agree with my stance about incentives to go the extra mile.

I agree with ya, but I suppose it depends on what division or department you work for too. It all varies.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

****ing retarded. Thanks for the info, it'll make my blood pressure a LITTLE lower while I'm waiting for that bubble gum-chewing ***** on the other side of the microphone to repeat herself for the THIRD ****ING TIME.... and STILL doesn't bother to slow down or speak clearly.

SHIT.

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[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

****ing retarded. Thanks for the info, it'll make my blood pressure a LITTLE lower while I'm waiting for that bubble gum-chewing ***** on the other side of the microphone to repeat herself for the THIRD ****ING TIME.... and STILL doesn't bother to slow down or speak clearly.
SHIT.

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The audio problem stems from McDonalds being total cheap *****. Each of those LCD signs cost $6k each and Mcdonalds ordered them all wihout speakers and microphones in them. Their thought on this was that thier old microphone systems on all their stores should just be able to mate up to the new housing. Of course, this was retarded since Mcdonalds has 20 or so audio vendors with totally different equipment so the shit wont fit in their nice new $6k display. So we had to get the site installers to afro-american rig the speakers and mic's to fit in there (sometimes with duct tape holding them in, no lie ). The installers would just go to radioshack and buy the cheapest shit they could find to slap in there to make it function for the time they were there so the manager could sign off on it as working. Of course, most of those speakers from radioshack are paper cones so it deteriorated within 6 months //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

My worth ethic took a dive after I was a model employee for a particlular software engineering firm. I always showed up on time (even early, and stayed late often), I traveled almost bi-weekly to all over the united states to remote job sites and wrote software on the fly from my hotel room. My length of hours at work varied from 8-14 hours a day while I was traveling. I literally had enough fequent flyer miles for 3 round trip tickets to New Zealand in first class, if thats any reflection of the amount of travel I did. I also developed many software as well as mechanical engineering aspects for the product we sold even though I wasnt in the Engineering department, and I know my designs are still the backbone of the software I developed even years after I left the company.
I didnt get paid real well, even though I was promised "you'd move up quick" but the nature of the company wouldnt promote from within. I made the company literally 200 million dollars, and saw nothing more than a measly $1000 bonus after a year.

You've seen the product I developed every time you go thru the drive-thru at Mcdonalds and Burger king - its the LCD display that shows you what you ordered. Every time you see your shitty cheeseburger ordered on that screen, thats my software parsing the register systems' rs-232 reciept output for data then logging it in a database as it displays on the screen in front of your car window.

Due to my innovation and development for this product, the company made literally hundreds of millions of dollars and I was not given anything. Even though I was an exceptional employee, I was treated like shit so I ended up quitting and working for the Goverment instead. At least with the DoD/DoE i know where I stand //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Sometimes, good employee's get shat on and no longer have the will to do anything more than what is required. My case is clearly of that nature.

Sorry to hear that snoop, but don't feel like the lone ranger. I've been a similiar scenarios only saving a company millions of dollars with no respect.

I've worked 70 hour work weeks regularly, not because I was trying to show off to management for a raise, but because thats what the job took so thats what I did. I didn't get crap for raises, I took a title and responsibility promotion with no jump in pay, and kept working the hours because my company needed me.

Did I get anything close to compensated or raised in salary for my work and dedication...not one bit. To the person saying "show up 15 minutes early, it gets you noticed"...horse shit, I showed up hours early, and stayed hours late for years and it got me noticed, but it also got me nothing.

I've since change positions at said company under different management and work 45+ hours a week and have received good raises (while working many less hours than I used to.) So work output/show doesn't have any direct relation to raises when a company or one of its areas is down on money.

Moral of the story is, the bottom line drives raises, not your work ethic. I have great work ethic but I realize that a company will neglect me for the bottom line. I've been there, I've seen it. Not all companies are the same and you cannot judge them as such, but showing up 15 mins early is trivial to the big picture where I work. We all bust our *****, always working overtime, any hours of the day/night and it quite often means no raises or recognition.

If you haven't worked under those conditions then you won't understand why the "15 mins early" statement is funny and sickening at the same time.

Alot of us have work ethic, but alot of us have been worked to the bone for no gain because of it.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

It amazes me -that businesses expect underpaid employees to overperform.

Under paid? Are you serious, in my opinion they are over paid for what they do. Under Paid that makes me laugh, I don't think you can say you are underpaid if you play on the internet for a while.

I think you could claim you were underpaid if you were child labor in a 18th century textile mill... LAWL, under paid, I bet they should give you more money so you can screw them for more time! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

-that businesses expect employees with transitive skills to have a vested interest in their employer.

Employees should have vested interest in the employer. Mostly because with out the employer they would go hungry.

-that businesses don't understand it is easier for me to find another job than it is for you to replace me.

Well, to be honest it is super easy to find deadbeat losers who don't do what they are supposed to. It is hard to find really good people. SO, I guess you have to think about which one you are. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

-that businesses do not respect the individual talents employees possess.

This is False. You are hired because of your individual talents, but I think most people to day think they deserve some kind of special work load and treatment "because I have talents". Well unless you can bend over back words and lick your own snatch, I'm not interested. Just do you job and quit whining about how special your talents are.

-that businesses expect more than an honest days pay for an honest days work

Wrong, we expect you to show up and work. That is it, that is why we give you money. We don't expect you to stick your fingers in the press or bring your children to work so that we can make them work too.

Honestly, I really expected a lot better out of you Flip. Expecting more than an honest days pay could have been true in some of the depreciation's building projects or again during the Industrial Revolution. But today? Are you serious? Maybe you should get a hold of your great great great grandfather and tell him how hard you job is, then he will smack you in the mouth for *****ing about having a woman's job. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif I

-that businesses do not provide incentives for higher productivity. (in your case, if they got the same amount of work done, but didn't surf the internet would they still be bad employees?)

Business do, it is called advancement. Bosses see if you are a good worker. And unless they are completely daffy they will remember this and make not of it.

In fact we base our whole pay structure on their performance. Work hard make a lot, screw off and make little. I designed the system to be fair for everyone, because it actually costs us money if the people do not perform the way they should.

-that businesses (especially small ones) do not take courses in labor economics and fully understand the relationship between management and labor. They have a simplistic view that labor is an input into production and thats it.

Taking classes aren't the answer to many problems. I assure you that in many small business there is a good relationship between the Employee and the Employer. I mean hell, there must be we have only been in business making money for 55 years now.

-that businesses do not understand that labor is actually a business unto itself. It is up to the each individual labor unit to maximize income. If you look at a production curve, you see that recieving 8 units of income for 50% effort is a better for the employee than recieving 12 units of income for 100% effot.

Business aren't in business to make money for the Employee. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Receiving 16 units at 100% is just better for all. But, I guess I'll take 12... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

If you are contracted to work, and you could work to make 12 units if you put forth 100% effort and you made 8 units at 50% effort but you were paid 100% of what you were supposed to get.

Then really you stole 4 units from the employer, because he paid you for something he didn't receive. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

-that businesses don't understant that any employee that is more productive that the average marginal product of labor is donating to chairty...and there is no valid economic argument that would give reason to be more producitve, unless there are future incentives. Since you are a small business, opportunities for growth are few. A very productive employee would realize the ineffeciencies and ineffectiveness of the current management staff, create their own business, and put yours to ruin.

Great, glad you know how it works in an economics class... Now lets come out to the real world and have a go at it.

This is my impression, in words of an employee of what you are trying to say, "why do I have to come in early and do my work it doesn't make me any more money, who cares, me me me me me, what do I get, me me me me me".

Ok, now let me show you what this really says. YOU WANT TO BE AVERAGE! That you don't care about bettering your self and the honest of a good days work. You just want to get by and sneak under the radar your entire life. Bosses DO notice hard workers, trust me. That is part of my job, to analyze data and watch tapes and call customers to find out what our people are doing. The hard working ones get better hours, are entitled to better pay raises, are entitled to new positions. It is SICK to watch what happens when we tell the people are looking for an interim manager. The productivity nearly doubles. SICK!

-lastly, but not of least.....have you ever surfed the internet at work? I understand you are the owner's son and all...but have you? If you have, then you are no better than any of them. You may have a vested interest in the perpetuation of the business, but you are no better. Even if you own the business, I doubt your creditors, suppliers, customers will think highly of your lacksadaisical work ethic.

Yes I have surfed the internet at work. BUT, I don't get paid by the hour and I work about 105 hours a week. 15 Hours a day, every day for about 2 months. Sometimes I even sleep at work so I don't have to waist time driving home. Do I do this because my dad is over my shoulder watching me? NO, he takes me home sometimes when I'm too tired to drive. DO I do this because it is a family business and my parents own it? Kind of, do I see a direct monetary bonus, no but it helps the well being of something that I am part of. Do I do it because I take an immense pride in my work and care about my customers? YES! I make enough in 4 months to last me the entire school year!

So I think that I might be included in the exception list. K thnkx bye.

I think that you, quite possibly are one of those liberal douche bags that think they should have everything handed to them.
All of those example you have there are bullshit excuses with some type of justification to underperform.

In my humble experiences, if you show up for work early, if you do your job to the best of your ability, if you show an interest in your work and are knowledgeable about it they will find a way to get you taken care of.

If you go and whine and talk about how bad you've got it you will get it bad.

I know people who have immigrated legally to this country, they had no money for anything and lived in the dirt. You're whining about incentives. Typical US "Individuality" and all that. Jobs don't hire you to be individual, they hire you to get done what they need done.

If you do that well you will get what you deserve.

If you don't then you will also reap what you sow.

Whining puts this in the latter catergory.

CT

Indeed...

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

This whole thing reminds me of what one of my friends once told me, he is also a hard worker and sees the benefits of a good days work.

"I tried the workaholics anonymous meetings, but they were way to unproductive."

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I will move to Cincinatti to work for you if well paid.

But first, I must practice bending over backwards and licking my own snatch.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

I will move to Cincinatti to work for you if well paid.
But first, I must practice bending over backwards and licking my own snatch.

pics plz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

pics plz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I haven't had the surgery yet.

Faggot.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

and vids. can you teach that to me?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

No vids...animated gifs at best.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

I will move to Cincinatti to work for you if well paid.
But first, I must practice bending over backwards and licking my own snatch.

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It was an exaggeration... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

But, I would still like to see you attempt this... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Under paid? Are you serious, in my opinion they are over paid for what they do. Under Paid that makes me laugh, I don't think you can say you are underpaid if you play on the internet for a while.
I think you could claim you were underpaid if you were child labor in a 18th century textile mill... LAWL, under paid, I bet they should give you more money so you can screw them for more time! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Then what should someone get paid? How do you define it? Seriously, what mechanism do you use to see what they get paid. Plus, by virtue of technology we are far far more productive then turn of the century textile mills. Increases in GDP prove this.

Employees should have vested interest in the employer. Mostly because with out the employer they would go hungry.

Without employees, no work would get done. It's a symbiotic relationship.

Well, to be honest it is super easy to find deadbeat losers who don't do what they are supposed to. It is hard to find really good people. SO, I guess you have to think about which one you are. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I know what my employer thinks of me. What I think of me is irrelevant.

This is False. You are hired because of your individual talents, but I think most people to day think they deserve some kind of special work load and treatment "because I have talents". Well unless you can bend over back words and lick your own snatch, I'm not interested. Just do you job and quit whining about how special your talents are.

I guess it depends on the skill level of the employees you hire. We hire people to perform very specific functions not everyone can do. Not everyone can operate a wind tunnel.

Wrong, we expect you to show up and work. That is it, that is why we give you money. We don't expect you to stick your fingers in the press or bring your children to work so that we can make them work too

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I do not see how that is relevant.

Honestly, I really expected a lot better out of you Flip. Expecting more than an honest days pay could have been true in some of the depreciation's building projects or again during the Industrial Revolution. But today? Are you serious? Maybe you should get a hold of your great great great grandfather and tell him how hard you job is, then he will smack you in the mouth for *****ing about having a woman's job. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif I
I do not see the problem with my grandfather working the fields. My grandfather actually told me he was glad I used technology so I didn't have to work the fields like he did. He also wouldn't call what I do a woman's job. Although a woman could do it. Most financial jobs, both men and women can do. Ironically, women worked the fields as well. So I guess I should slap any old person that says something of that nature...as my grandmother also worked the fields. I guess she could have stayed inside and played Molly Homemaker, but my dad would have starved.

Business do, it is called advancement. Bosses see if you are a good worker. And unless they are completely daffy they will remember this and make not of it.

How fast?

In fact we base our whole pay structure on their performance. Work hard make a lot, screw off and make little. I designed the system to be fair for everyone, because it actually costs us money if the people do not perform the way they should.

Not all businesses do. My pay is determined by a chart. Each year, I move one square over on the chart. I am all for pay-for-perfomance. Unfortuanely, not all businesses implement this well. I noticed the larger the business, the more they tend to act like govt. The smaller the business, the more the employee is recognized.

Taking classes aren't the answer to many problems. I assure you that in many small business there is a good relationship between the Employee and the Employer. I mean hell, there must be we have only been in business making money for 55 years now.

And I wish you luck for the next 55 years.

Business aren't in business to make money for the Employee. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

But I am in the business of making money for myself.

Receiving 16 units at 100% is just better for all. But, I guess I'll take 12... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
If you are contracted to work, and you could work to make 12 units if you put forth 100% effort and you made 8 units at 50% effort but you were paid 100% of what you were supposed to get.

Then really you stole 4 units from the employer, because he paid you for something he didn't receive. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I set that problem up wrong...and you got me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Great, glad you know how it works in an economics class... Now lets come out to the real world and have a go at it.
This is my impression, in words of an employee of what you are trying to say, "why do I have to come in early and do my work it doesn't make me any more money, who cares, me me me me me, what do I get, me me me me me".

What's so wrong about that?

Ok, now let me show you what this really says. YOU WANT TO BE AVERAGE! That you don't care about bettering your self and the honest of a good days work. You just want to get by and sneak under the radar your entire life. Bosses DO notice hard workers, trust me. That is part of my job, to analyze data and watch tapes and call customers to find out what our people are doing. The hard working ones get better hours, are entitled to better pay raises, are entitled to new positions. It is SICK to watch what happens when we tell the people are looking for an interim manager. The productivity nearly doubles. SICK!

What if you couldn't offer your employees better hours, better pay, promotions, etc? What if there is no incentive, financial or otherwise.

For instance, at my friends job, they make boom trucks that work on electric poles. If they exceed expectations, the company sometimes caters meals. While not that big of a deal, it is very nice. At my job, that is against the law.

Yes I have surfed the internet at work. BUT, I don't get paid by the hour and I work about 105 hours a week. 15 Hours a day, every day for about 2 months. Sometimes I even sleep at work so I don't have to waist time driving home. Do I do this because my dad is over my shoulder watching me? NO, he takes me home sometimes when I'm too tired to drive. DO I do this because it is a family business and my parents own it? Kind of, do I see a direct monetary bonus, no but it helps the well being of something that I am part of. Do I do it because I take an immense pride in my work and care about my customers? YES! I make enough in 4 months to last me the entire school year!

See...you feel a part of the organization. Not all employees feel like they are a part of the organization. This is important!

So I think that I might be included in the exception list. K thnkx bye.

You are so great. I want to have your baby.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I am not trying to personally attack you here...as that isn't my style. I'd wish you wouldn't personally attack me either by saying you are disappointed in me.

I think we are comparing apples and oranges here...

You have control to directly influence things such as wage/hours/etc....and in all honesty, I'd love to see your approach.