using a capcitor does help..........

xprime4, if you could do us a favor and test current from your amp before and after you have the cap in, if you don't mind.
Wishbone, if your alternator could handle it then you wouldn't need a Cap now would you? Therefore, it's assisting the alternator.

If I'm so ignorant on how the thing works, please explain, because I must be a full blown retard and I never knew it.
Well the Capacitor got what it deserved... a painful death //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

I swap amp at the same time i had to remove it anyway so there's no way to tell...

 
i really didn't even want to post in this thread but this last comment was just dumb. First get a cap with a voltage readout and see how it works. One bass note will drain the cap in seconds, then the cap gets recharged from the battery. If you look at the voltage readout you would notice that while playing bass the cap doesn't even get charged back to 14 volts because the bass is draining it quickly, therefore its not storing voltage, its like its not even there. The altemator is always recharging your battery when the car is on, so whether you have a cap or not the alt is sending voltage to the battery and amp. AGAIN WHEN THE CAR IS RUNNING THE ALT IS CONSTANTLY SENDING VOLTAGE TO THE BATTERY, NOT JUST WHEN YOU THINK IT WOULD NEED TOO.You are ignorant and have a lot to learn about caps. I used to use caps and they worked fine for me, so i'm not really even putting them down, just learn how they work with the rest of your electrical and you won't sound like an idiot. Whether you use a cap or not is your choice, but learn what they really do before running off at the mouth
Why are you sounding like you never graduated eighth grade. If your IGNORANT CLOWNISH FOOLISH self would have taken 2 minutes to read a few of my post or just went to check my pics, you would know I have the cap with the amp and voltage read out and YES the voltage drains on MINE for a few seconds and returns to 14.5 volts, but on your SET UP ! I don't have a clew what is going on ! so don't compare your silly situation to mine unless you have the same exact set up !!!!!!!!!!!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/verymad.gif.3f39c5c2fd57527b671fad3efdfac756.gif

WB

 
seriously wishbone, stop posting, and send me that amp!!! u have been pwnd noob give it up.
This is the last band wagon remark I will respond to. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

WB

PS noob ? I bet you don't know twice as much as I do. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
haha obviously. by starting a thread that says "using a capacitor does help.....". that really shows ur level of intelligence

im not on a bandwagon. i won ur stupid little bet, and now u owe me one of the most expensive amps made =) me>u

 
I bet you don't know twice as much as I do. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
Wait, that's not a very good comeback at all...

WB: As long as the bandwagon is proven true, then hell, I'll ride that shit all day. The fact that you feel like you are surrounded by haters is not because you made a global breakthrough in the car audio world, it's cause you are wrong, completely, utterly, and blatantly incorrect.

/THREAD

 
Can't believe this thread is still going. Let the so called electrical engineer with his shiny white paper called a degree think what he thinks. I see no factual data that supports his claims. Without facts, it's just an opinion.

 
Wait, that's not a very good comeback at all...
WB: As long as the bandwagon is proven true, then hell, I'll ride that shit all day. The fact that you feel like you are surrounded by haters is not because you made a global breakthrough in the car audio world, it's cause you are wrong, completely, utterly, and blatantly incorrect.

/THREAD
This is what make me think something is wrong ! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/furious.gif.fc81ca146dbff91fede3ed290dbc4f4c.gif Somebody just posted they used a cap and it worked for them. SO WHY is that being ignored ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

I just can't beleive these caps are selling because a few people in this forum had good experiences with them. Are there better ways to improve a system ? My answer is, I haven't tried yet. I did run 1/0 wire and believe it or not I think I lost power. But that is going to be another thread once I find out why. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif:laugh://content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

WB

 
Of course the cap recharges off of the battery //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif but, because it has stored voltage already, the cap can draw voltage from the battery, lets say 100 more times, before making the alternator send more current to the battery, then your amp being directly connected to the battery can before making the alternator send more current for charging the battery. The cap helps.
WB
wow... you seriously have the mental capacity of a 2 year old! Let me repost what you just said so that you can see how much you contradict yourself and how much of an idiot you really are:
The current draw will be the same. The difference is it will only draw current from the CAP when it is connected, not the car battery, which powers all of the other electrical devices connected in his car.
Then I reply telling you that the cap is going to be discharged while the amp is drawing current, and recharged FROM THE BATTERY, and you agree, but then continue to argue your point!! Hypocrite! You are an idiot... it's not like a cap holds some godly amount of electricity that it will charge off of your battery when the car is off and then your amp will run solely off the cap. The cap is in a constant cycle. It is ALWAYS drawing energy from the battery and the amp is ALWAYS drawing energy off of the cap(assuming the system is running). This is a constant recharge/discharge cycle. Do you understand that.... very simple circuit my friend. Nobody would even need an electrical engineering degree to understand that.

 
Of course the cap recharges off of the battery //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif but, because it has stored voltage already, the cap can draw voltage from the battery, lets say 100 more times, before making the alternator send more current to the battery, then your amp being directly connected to the battery can before making the alternator send more current for charging the battery. The cap helps.
WB
Your severe lack of understanding in the physics behind electrical circuits makes me want to throw up.

A capacitor, in every physical form, has the same mechanics. It holds charges to be released VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY, etc. rapidly. I'm not talking about a one second discharge. I'm talking about a millisecond discharge. I've done the math, a one farad cap can discharge I believe 400 watts, or something like that. Now, that's pretty good, but, what you must know is that the alternator is ALWAYS charging.

But here's a science project for you to do.

PRIOR KNOWLEDGE:

Your car needs electricity to run. To run both the spark plugs, and the ECU (unless you have an older car with a carburetor.) With this knowledge, we go onto the test:

TEST:

Start up your car, disconnect the battery from the circuit.

FINAL CONCLUSION:

THE CAR STILL RUNS!

This is because the alternator is giving a steady stream of power. In all technicality, your battery should not be needed for the actually running of your car. It's there to start your car. Period. That's what it was designed to do, and that's what it DOES do. But when you add things onto your car, aftermarket things, such as lights, and gizmos, and speakers, the battery becomes necessary.

What a battery actually does in the car audio world, is fill in when the alternator cannot supply the sufficient current.

"WOAH WOAH WOAH! WAIT SCOTT! Isn't that what CAPACITORS DO?! Now I'm just all confused!"

Capacitors have a much faster discharge rate (versus batteries). Now, I'll reiterate what I've said before. CAPACITORS HAVE AN EXTREMELY FAST DISCHARGE RATE!

So, if your system is using 50 amperes, and suddenly, it needs 150 for a millisecond. Then, yes, a capacitor will help. But if your system needs 70, and your car can only supply 50, then a capacitor won't do beans. A battery will help, but it won't fix it.

All of these things are little bandaids.

Bottom line is: if your lights are dimming, then your amp isn't getting enough current. Get a bigger alternator, or do the big 3. A capacitor AND a battery is just covering.

The small amount a capacitor helps, it hurts just as much. Because as the amplifier is trying to draw current from the alternator, so is the capacitor.

 
wow... you seriously have the mental capacity of a 2 year old! Let me repost what you just said so that you can see how much you contradict yourself and how much of an idiot you really are:

Then I reply telling you that the cap is going to be discharged while the amp is drawing current, and recharged FROM THE BATTERY, and you agree, but then continue to argue your point!! Hypocrite! You are an idiot... it's not like a cap holds some godly amount of electricity that it will charge off of your battery when the car is off and then your amp will run solely off the cap. The cap is in a constant cycle. It is ALWAYS drawing energy from the battery and the amp is ALWAYS drawing energy off of the cap(assuming the system is running). This is a constant recharge/discharge cycle. Do you understand that.... very simple circuit my friend. Nobody would even need an electrical engineering degree to understand that.
The minuscule point I was trying to make was the cap can be charged with out an alternator, a battery can't. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif Godly amount of energy ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

WB

 
The minuscule point I was trying to make was the cap can be charged with out an alternator, a battery can't. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif Godly amount of energy ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif
WB
ummm what do you think the cap is charging off of... the battery... which is charged off the alt. So if you take out the alt, the cap will just drain the battery and then both will be out. You really are an idiot.

 
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