see i beat u to it.. but really no fair 1st thread 16 pages ya'll said my at amp won't strong enough to push any of the subs i was looking at and should go with highest db rating so i did, the pioneer... i've asked has anyone used this or that and either u or someone said it was crap or whatever and last thread was about ct sounds strato (only 1 left) i would have bought but 2 peeps said don't get., that jeff said it was good but no in my box so it got sold while i was doing that.. peeps say i don't take advise but i do, i got the hu and amp recommend (buy several peeps) and the sub with highest db rating that was and acceptable sub to me which is what i was told instead of looking at xmax and mms