Someone's gotta say it: Nancy Pelosi needs to piss off.

[adio 5,000+ posts]

Who says we can't do both at the same time? We can have our cake and eat it too. Drill now, work on alternatives in the meantime, and when alternative fuels become cost-effective, make the switch and phase out petroleum.
Of course we can't do that. Makes too damn much sense.

cause like i said, as soon as we get enough oil again, people, all ppl, are not gonna give a fuk about alt fuels until we get our *** in a bind again. the R&D of alt fuels will slow to a creep

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

cause like i said, as soon as we get enough oil again, people, all ppl, are not gonna give a fuk about alt fuels until we get our *** in a bind again. the R&D of alt fuels will slow to a creep

This is another good reason from a standpoint not concerned about funding. People love their oil, so spending a decade bringing in more oil and th en trying to phase it out won't work because people will be so dead set on it.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Yeah sure, invest billions of dollars in offshore drilling and also invest billions of dollars in energy research. Do you think money just grows on trees? Jesus, we have the largest deficit in the history of this nation, the middle east wars are speculated to cost between 2 and 3 trillion dollars and you want us to not only invest large sums of money into both offshore drilling and alternative fuel research? The time to cut back on fossil fuels is here, and doing more isn't quite helping that issue.

The government doesn't do all the work here, buddy. That's the beauty of a free market system. Government scientists aren't developing hydrogen-powered cars. If they were, we would be lucky to have them by 2096 and I still wouldn't want to ride in one.

Private businesses do it. The automakers make the cars. Energy companies are finding ways to produce hydrogen. Get a grip mang.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

I have more news: Petroleum isn't going anywhere for a while. There are millions of cars on the road that burn gas. There are thousands of planes and trains and trucks that use petroleum. Even after we make alternative fuels affordable, petroleum powered cars won't suddenly disappear. I say we'll still have a good amount of petroleum burning vehicles halfway through this century. We're not going to drill for more oil just to abandon it in 2020.

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

The government doesn't do all the work here, buddy. That's the beauty of a free market system. Government scientists aren't developing hydrogen-powered cars. If they were, we would be lucky to have them by 2096 and I still wouldn't want to ride in one.
Private businesses do it. The automakers make the cars. Energy companies are finding ways to produce hydrogen. Get a grip mang.

Of course not, but it is them who will ultimately push for the reduction in fossil fuel usage just as they always have. Right now there is no incentive to invest money in alternative fuels, rather, money is in fuel efficient cars. We need to continue in that direction, not start backpedaling.

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

I have more news: Petroleum isn't going anywhere for a while. There are millions of cars on the road that burn gas. There are thousands of planes and trains and trucks that use petroleum. Even after we make alternative fuels affordable, petroleum powered cars won't suddenly disappear. I say we'll still have a good amount of petroleum burning vehicles halfway through this century. We're not going to drill for more oil just to abandon it in 2020.

Fantastic. Then why is it that you want to drill for oil then? You don't like how it looks or smells, so what reason do you have for lifting the moratorium?

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Fantastic. Then why is it that you want to drill for oil then? You don't like how it looks or smells, so what reason do you have for lifting the moratorium?

Because I'd like to see Americans producing their own oil. More money stays here in the US economy. More jobs here in the states. Less dependence on an organization that can jack up prices on demand. It doesn't make sense not to drill here and keep buying from other nations.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Ok, I'm asking questions now.

Why should we continue to buy oil from other countries?

 

[pilyin 10+ year member]

yeah, open up drilling. That will surely help in the 10 years in takes to get to max production...

The announcement of increased drilling would have an immediate impact on gas prices.

 

[pilyin 10+ year member]

Who says we can't do both at the same time? We can have our cake and eat it too. Drill now, work on alternatives in the meantime, and when alternative fuels become cost-effective, make the switch and phase out petroleum.
Of course we can't do that. Makes too damn much sense.

No. Sell the petroleum abroad and make some money.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Of course not, but it is them who will ultimately push for the reduction in fossil fuel usage just as they always have. Right now there is no incentive to invest money in alternative fuels, rather, money is in fuel efficient cars. We need to continue in that direction, not start backpedaling.

there's the problem. any time government interferes with anything in a capitalist society, you get the problems we have now. nobody is going to research alternative energy for vehicles in this country if they can't make any money. even if you came up with an alternative energy vehicle, you have to battle through city, county, state and federal government regulations, licenses, and any other red tape they've created. just as they've interfered with the housing market, they will do the same with oil and energy.

 

[85Caprice4d 10+ year member]

square peg round hole! must make fit!

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

Ok, I'm asking questions now.
Why should we continue to buy oil from other countries?

Jesus Christ man, I've been here long enough to know that you're a smart mother****er, so you have to realize that isn't the issue. This isn't all about money. The implications of drilling off-shore reach much further than simply buying internationally. By lifting the moratorium, gas prices may decrease by a few cents at most, we would still ultimately be buying large amounts of oil overseas, we would further destroying the environment, and we would still just be putting a band-aid on what is our energy crisis. We need to cut the fossil fuels because we will both run out of them and we will destroy the environment at the same time.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Jesus Christ man, I've been here long enough to know that you're a smart mother****er, so you have to realize that isn't the issue. This isn't all about money. The implications of drilling off-shore reach much further than simply buying internationally. By lifting the moratorium, gas prices may decrease by a few cents at most, we would still ultimately be buying large amounts of oil overseas, we would further destroying the environment, and we would still just be putting a band-aid on what is our energy crisis. We need to cut the fossil fuels because we will both run out of them and we will destroy the environment at the same time.

good point. "destroy" is too harsh of a word concerning the impact we realistically have on the environment. imo.

 

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

good point. "destroy" is too harsh of a word concerning the impact we realistically have on the environment. imo.

Harming by speeding up global warming? Is that better //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif