So I did a back to back comparison; audiopipe 30001d and DD M1C

[RangerDangerV2 5,000+ posts]

dustin couldnt have said it any better... maybe op should have bought my oscope and spl lab!

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

Does it really matter how many watts an amp pushes, how clean the signal is etc if the one with the worse specs sounds better?

If you had a choice between two setups, one with more watts better s/n ratio etc, but your other poption hit harder, sounded just as good, would you go with the one with the better specs or the one that sounds better?

This is getting old. I think enough has been said.

 

[RangerDangerV2 5,000+ posts]

Does it really matter how many watts an amp pushes, how clean the signal is etc if the one with the worse specs sounds better?
If you had a choice between two setups, one with more watts better s/n ratio etc, but your other poption hit harder, sounded just as good, would you go with the one with the better specs or the one that sounds better?

This is getting old. I think enough has been said.

I would go with the one that is not audiopoop.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

dustin couldnt have said it any better... maybe op should have bought my oscope and spl lab!

Yeah because obviously specs are more important than how you subs sound in an audible comparison

 

[RangerDangerV2 5,000+ posts]

Yeah because obviously specs are more important than how you subs sound in an audible comparison

you must have the best ears in the world... much better than any RTA. have you ever heard a CLEAN sounding system? no. because you hug ap's sweaty nutzz

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

you must have the best ears in the world... much better than any RTA. have you ever heard a CLEAN sounding system? no. because you hug ap's sweaty nutzz

Salty too, pleh!

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

New style RE XXX

Audiopipe amp

Sealed box

Haters gon hate

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

Does it really matter how many watts an amp pushes, how clean the signal is etc if the one with the worse specs sounds better?
If you had a choice between two setups, one with more watts better s/n ratio etc, but your other poption hit harder, sounded just as good, would you go with the one with the better specs or the one that sounds better?

This is getting old. I think enough has been said.

How do you know it is actually "hitting harder" or "sounding better" other then personal opinion?

I am ok with the idea that YOU THINK it is better. However, claiming it is fact is what is getting you to catch so much flack around here.

I still think it is a troll attempt though and not really a serious post.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

The AP is louder and sounds just as good on rap music. Yeah it's cheap and might not last as long as the DD, but it is what it is, and puts ot much closer to rated than most people want to admit. / Story

wut

Well I guess I'm in the mood to start some shit lol, but I read so much mis-information I have got to say something.
I think we can all agree that the audiopipe amps, AP series in particular will have a dirty signal at the rated wattage, but they will do rated.

But honestly, most (90% of people out there looking for a sub amp simply wants to hear some loud bass, and probably don't care if the signal is clipped; as long as they have decent subs with the same rating as the amp they should hold up, right (most subs can handle more than the rms rating, even kicker etc, right?)

Now if you want to talk about clean power, if you go conservative with the gains, IMO you should still get 2,000 clean watts out of an AP3K, at a minimum.

So 2,000 clean AP watts............$260

2,000 clean IA watts.................$600

2,000 clean sundown watts........$500

2,000 clean kicker watts............$500

You get the same clean power for half the price, or 1.5 times the dirty power (alot of people dont care as long as they're loud, seriously).

IMO the only way to justify buying one of the other amps is the same reason you buy a pair of rock revial jeans; to impress people and be in style. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Lord, I didn't say I'm capable of deciphering every parameter with my ears.
This is my point; the AP amps do rated, and the distortion isn't bad. How do I know? Because we all know DD does rated and 1700 DD watts, under roughly the same distortion levels, are not as loud as 2,000 AP watts. Below clipping and at full gains, the AP amp pushes the subs harder.

I don't see why you guys are getting so upset.

So one day they do rated, and other day they do close to rated, and another day they do rated again? Makes sense.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

No man I'm quite serious.

And trust me, it is louder, for sure. For sure.

The low 30 HZ tones on the AP are noticeably heavier, and all around louder. After hearing the same song every day for 2 weeks on one amp, then changing amps, you can tell a difference in output.

Like I said, I was hoping the DD would win, because then I would gave an amp and sub that almost match quailty wise, but I'm not willing to give up the extra output for it. Just me though.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

wut




So one day they do rated, and other day they do close to rated, and another day they do rated again? Makes sense.

Will you actually contribute something intelligent to this conversation or continue acting like a nag?

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

I am still going to tell you the same thing once again though.

YOU THINK all of this with no proof of it, which is fine to me. However you should stop claiming that your opinion is fact is all.

I have the term lab at the shop..come on by and for no charge at all we can meter your car... with both amps. Then you can say..yes it is louder for sure...or no it is not, with out an opinion being inserted.

 

[IonRL205 10+ year member]

Will you actually contribute something intelligent to this conversation or continue acting like a nag?

I did contribute something intelligent. I pointed out how you have contradicted yourself. One day you say it does rated, and then another you claim close to rated, and then you claim rated again.

So what is it? Does it do rated or close to rated?

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

I did contribute something intelligent. I pointed out how you have contradicted yourself. One day you say it does rated, and then another you claim close to rated, and then you claim rated again.
So what is it? Does it do rated or close to rated?

Noticably louder than the 1700 watt DD, so you tell me.

 

[winkychevelle 10+ year member]

Look the only explanation that would work in your favor would be box rise from wiring the dd to one ohm rising to something rediculous like 4-6ohm and when wiring the audiopipe to 4ohm it only rises slightly to like 5ohm. Which then due to ohms law the audiopipe might be making more power.

and wiring to 4ohm is going to raise both the signal to noise rating and dampening factors which may contribute to the audiopipe playing lower, but that's an unlikely long shot.

my bet is your ears like distortion and that's okay without having some good seat time in a sq system you may never notice it due to you ears being accustomed to the distortion in your system and your friends system.

so when you turn the dd up it just sounds like something is missing but not knowing what it is you brain automatically thinks its not as loud because its missing that something. The bass heavy bottom end you talk about might be distortion induced. Idk

all in all you arent going to convince anyone here that a chinese audiopipe will outperform a korean dd. It wont ever outperform a korean audiopipe