Should I go 3-way?

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

I have a 6x9 stock in the front door, and a 2.5 inch tweeter stock in the dash, I was wondering if I shoudl go with 2 ways since I could mount a 6.5 and 1 inch tweeter where the 6.9 goes, and mount a larger tweeter in the dash?

this is the adapter I made and I'm going to replace the dual mag with some dls but I'm trying to determin if it would be worth the extra cash to go 3-way because I have room for a 2.5 or larger tweeter in the dash.

if need be I can move the speaker over some I still have the template and I can make another adapter. I don't know how good it would sound with the tweeter mounted right next to the speaker in the door, or how much benefit there would be going with larger tweets in the dash.

if this is a bad idea would it be better to go with a 2 way set that uses a larger tweeter?

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[GSteg 10+ year member]

You could go with 3-way if you want, but how anal are you about sound quality? For the most part, I would think you'll be able to get away with a 2-way system. Most people don't even need a 3-way setup. A 2-way system can sound just as good as most 3-ways. There are much more work that involves in a 3-way system that the chances of getting an error is bigger.

What car do you have? 2.5" stock tweeters are awefully big.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

You could go with 3-way if you want, but how anal are you about sound quality? For the most part, I would think you'll be able to get away with a 2-way system. Most people don't even need a 3-way setup. A 2-way system can sound just as good as most 3-ways. There are much more work that involves in a 3-way system that the chances of getting an error is bigger.
What car do you have? 2.5" stock tweeters are awefully big.

^he's right. 3 ways are a bit more of a pain in the butt to do and the biggest advantages are for those who are more anal about SQ. Mostly it's because they get better imaging if they invert a mid, but they wish to keep their midbass, which is hurt by the cancellation. 3 ways are only good if everthing is placed in the correct locations which can be difficult to determine, my advice, stick to a 2 way.

 

[Decipha 10+ year member]

put your tweets as close as you can to your woofer

how many times do i have to say that???

 

[Decipha 10+ year member]

I have a 6x9 stock in the front door, and a 2.5 inch tweeter stock in the dash, I was wondering if I shoudl go with 2 ways since I could mount a 6.5 and 1 inch tweeter where the 6.9 goes, and mount a larger tweeter in the dash?

that would probably fuk up your imaging pretty bad... just a thought

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Well....even if you went 3-way, you wouldn't want to run two tweeters. You'd have a midbass, a midrange and a tweeter.

In the case of the DLS; the 3-ways are well worth the money. However, I'd take a properly setup 2-way over a poorly setup 3-way any day of the week. And, like everybody else said; 3-ways take a lot more setup and tuning work.

If you are kind of a novice and haven't worked with a lot of speakers and setups yet, or don't have a lot of tuning practice under your belt, I'd probably stick with a 2-way.

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

yea the DLS has a Mid Tweet and a smaller tweeter, thats why I was looking at that set particularly.

The truck is a Titan and it comes with some real shitty but real big stock tweeters, the hole in the dash is 2.75 inches wide for the tweeter and the grill that pops over it is a bit larger, so if I go with a 2 way I would be making an adapter to fit a smaller DLS 1.1 inch tweeter, probably out of plexy as MDF is way to thick for this location. The tweeters will be mounted in the dash either way (wether a large one or small one) IMO they sound better up here than next to the woofer at the bottom of the door pannel. In most trucks this may not be the case, but I do like them in their stock locations. My windshield as a pretty steepe slope to it unlike many trucks perhaps that is why it works so well. I'm not going to be cutting up my $200 door pannels on my brand new truck, I want my install to be somewhat stealth.

put your tweets as close as you can to your woofer

This was the idea I mentioned, only the larger mid tweete would go in the dash and the smaller one in the door panel. However if I go with 2 ways the tweeter will go in the dash not the door panel, as IMO it sounds better there in my particular vehicle. and the tweeter would be at the bottom of the door.

that would probably fuk up your imaging pretty bad... just a thought

Putting the large tweeter in the dash and having the small one close to the woofer would fuk up my imaging? Is this opposed to putting the small tweeter in the dash and the woofer in the door with 2 way DLS setup? So a 2 way setup this way would sound much better than a 3 way setup this way?

I'm not wrried about tuning or setting up the 3 way using the crossovers provided that just takes time. But if a 2-way with tweeters in the dash would sound better I will stick with that.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

#1, please stop referring to them as the "large tweeter" and "small tweeter"...it's confusing and, frankly, wrong. They are called the midrange and tweeter, respectively.

#2, if you went with the 3-way setup, you'd want the midranges even distances from you, like down in the kicks. You wouldn't really want to put them in the dash.

#3, Where are the stock speakers located at in the dash?

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

#1, please stop referring to them as the "large tweeter" and "small tweeter"...it's confusing and, frankly, wrong. They are called the midrange and tweeter, respectively.
#2, if you went with the 3-way setup, you'd want the midranges even distances from you, like down in the kicks. You wouldn't really want to put them in the dash.

#3, Where are the stock speakers located at in the dash?

Ok well I was under the impression they were actualy Large tweeters used for the midrange. That is what they are listed at on sites that sell the DLS 2.5 Tweeters seperate. Thats what I wanted to know about setting up the midranges.

The stock tweeters are located on top of the dash pointed towards the windsheild. For some reason they actualy sound good, I have always been told not to put them there but it works in the case of the Titan. The window is steep enough that I cannot possibly stick my head over the dash and look down in the tweeter hole, they are speaced a bit from the bottom of the windsheild also.

So far it sounds like you are recomending I stick with a 2 way? (tweeters are still going in dash with 2-way)

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

Nope a tweeter is a tweeter. And a tweeter can not be used for midrange because it is a "tweeter".

In this case a simple upgrade of the midrange driver in the door and keeping the stock tweets sounds decent.

And placing the tweets in the dash facing up actually has some very good imaging in some vehicles.

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

Nope a tweeter is a tweeter. And a tweeter can not be used for midrange because it is a "tweeter".
In this case a simple upgrade of the midrange driver in the door and keeping the stock tweets sounds decent.

And placing the tweets in the dash facing up actually has some very good imaging in some vehicles.

I know for a fact I am not keeping the stock tweets, the stock 6x9 are more decent than the tweets and they are 2 ohm Panasonic POS's....but the large stock tweets sound absolutly HORRIBLE, they are made of regular paper and they really totaly just **** straight up. The titan comes with one crappy sterio. I mean it had lots of cool features, Radio Station names are displayed, nice large buttons and knobs, 6 disc in dash cd changer steering wheel controlls. But tee stock mid's are 2 ohm in the door and the unit only puts out about 6-12 watts to them! Theres no pre-outs of course so the whole system has to be removed, even for a simple speaker upgrade where you would want to run them off the HU, however that is definately not MY plan.

http://www.infinitecaraudio.com/cgi-bin/icastore.cgi?user_action=list&category=DLS%3BTweeters

the midrange drivers are listed under tweeters, sorry for the confusion.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

If you went 3-way, I'd put the midbass in the doors, the midrange's in the kicks and the tweeters either on the pillars, in the kicks w/ the midrange, or in the stock locations.

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

The stock tweeters are located on top of the dash pointed towards the windsheild. For some reason they actualy sound good

but the large stock tweets sound absolutly HORRIBLE

So witch is it.

http://www.infinitecaraudio.com/cgi...=DLS%3BTweeters

Notice they are listed as midrange speakers. As mentioned stop calling them large tweeters. It is CONFUSING.

So you want to replace them all? I thought the tweets sounded good??? I'm confused...

 

[Justintoxicated 10+ year member]

If you went 3-way, I'd put the midbass in the doors, the midrange's in the kicks and the tweeters either on the pillars, in the kicks w/ the midrange, or in the stock locations.

Installing the midrage in the kicks would be VERY difficult for me on the drivers side. I do not think, it would be worth the extent of fiberglass work that would be need to be done. So I guess I will go with the 2 way setup, thanks.

The tweeters sound good location wise, but the tweeters themselves really ****, it sounded good when I installed (replaced the stock tweeter) with 1 of my dual mag tweeters on the passengers side (sounds about 4 times better than having both stock tweeters lol). (Yes cutting a hole in my door pannels might sound better but I'm not going there I paid too much for this truck to chop it up just for good sound) I did this in my last vehicle though and it did not sound much better if at all and I did not like the look or location durability ( could get smashed when loading the truck full of crap) and looked bad also.

 

[desi_daru 10+ year member]

What car do you have? 2.5" stock tweeters are awefully big.

i was also wondering this i breifly looked over the replies and never found a answer 2 the question