Rockford Rock's

[zane 10+ year member]

I would still say JL's - unless we are talking cdt's braxials.

take it easy,

-zane

(off to install a cell phone )

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

no just a straight 3 way component set top of the line vs top of the line. cdt pissed me off saying that a memphis studio amp is not as good as a us tube amp or a zapco.......A i hate tube amps B quality a/b amp vs quality a/b amp i will bet 100 bucks that he couldnt tell the difference between the 2 if he were blind folded 100% of the time on the same set of mids and highs...my old car (which is all memphis now, speakers included) beat (took second overall) a zapco/focal car (took fourth) at a regional iasca/pro. i know there be factors there but that guy just sounded so rude like i dont know what a quality sound is...i sold 2700.00 system audio sets for 6 months (retail) along with sony es, denon, boston accoustic, definitive technologies,adcom,for a year. we special ordered tube amps also and i set up 4 of these 10k plus systems myself for customers who still come to me to get opinions on what to get lol

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Let the company representatives speak for the integrity of the company. A JL rep would never have made some of those comments.- I speak with Joseph Colasanti at JL Audio quite frequently- and he has always gone out of his way to be extreemely helpful and friendly.

JL has the integrity, as well as my respect- they've earned it!

Typically CDT is very proffesional as well, which leads me to wonder at the comments made by this particular rep you spoke with. I would highly suggest that you contact CDT again and explain what happened to a technical support supervisor in a professional way and see what they will do for you. I am sure that you will have a better experience this way.

On the Upside, JL is always willing to help, discuss, provide information, and even shoot the breeze a bit with customers- IMO that alone speaks louder than anything.

As for the tube amps being superior and providing a noticeable audible difference in vehicle- I would call that bluff. Richard Clark just disproved that theory in a recent addition to his amplifier challenge.

Would it be in a home audio environment, this may be a little differnt. In this case, I am an avid guitarist and have a 68' Fender Bassman Ten along side of it is a newer Crate GX60VR. The Fender is completely Tube- all the way. The Crate is solid state- MOSFET. With the settings on each amplifiers clean channel the same- there is quite a good deal of audible difference between the two amps.- For those that would like to hear this in person, I would be more than happy to demonstrate. While this would not be typical home audio or car audio- this is really the first instance where I have heard a tube amp sound better. Of course, several other guitarists would concur with my observations here- Stevie Ray Vaughan and Jimi Hendrix to name two. Who would like to argue against thier word? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Just a different angle for you to look at....

take it easy,

-zane

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lol so you agreeing with me or what? at least the a/b part i know tubes sound "cherry" but in my humble opinion they colorize harshness that might be a part of an original recording(make it sound better to the ear) and besides that i do believe mr clark also showed how tubes colorize/distort a speaker to produce a "warm" sound which in line with a guatar amp i would say....that is your choice to make the sound that way as the artist..so that is faithfully to what is to be in the original performance...and a tube amp reproduction might have a very slight advantage reproducing your original recording but it still would "colorize" everything else that might be in your band not using a tube amp as part of the original performance....... and the cdt guy got pissed cause i like deminstrating the dynamics of a propperly built system up to sound levels that well.. excite the senses 130-136 db when i had my old car i sold 8 sets of horns in a town that had far less than 20000 people, and welp lets face it the younger crowd will be more "audiophile" sense worthy when they hear a system that can do both "sq" and jam...and lets face it..we all like to cut loose every now and then also main thing here isnt the tube vs a/b but a zapco a/b vs a memphis a/b both are very good quality so to me him saying that is like a kid saying his mustang is better than a camaro and also it sorta distrispected me in a way cause i feel i have a good grasp of things....when i competed only people that beat me placed at world finals and of those i had beaten all but 2 at some point or another.....i'll admit i cared more about stageing and image but still i always scored above average on the sq side and about dead on on the imaging and stageing...at midwest shoot out (iasca regonial) i was 2 points from the best score you could get and i have the sheet to prove it lol

 

[zane 10+ year member]

exactly.........

Dont you hate it when personal opinion interferes with logic?

take it easy,

-zane

 

[mrray13 10+ year member]

the mtx is the rfl15, it comes w/ a rebuild kit and weighs 56pds!

a shop here close by said they pluged it into a 240 volt outlet for half a hour and then threw into their car and pounded it for the next hour! but that's the only good thing i've heard about them.

the w7's look mean and at $700 round here they are fairly inexpensive compared to the rfl and the stroker($1000 and $1500 respectively).

i think adire's brahma (2"+xmax ) looks like it's going to pound!

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

yuh but rfl's sound like poop lol people say the w7's sound good........i have heard 2 sets and to me.....mud...not sure if boxxes were "spec" but lets face facts...they aint built, or designed to sound the best

 

[Sspider 5,000+ posts]

only 56 pounds, not much. The rockford weight is close by. It has bigger voice coils( 4") larger magnet(300 oz).

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

56 pounds aint crap any more dd has had that weight beat for awhile and dare i say ppi has been up there too. besides that if they decided to make a ultra focused motor structure i would bet you a 15 lb woofer would out perform a 56 standard motored sub.....

 

[Sspider 5,000+ posts]

not sure on wut the article was about but, i remember reading something about different types of magnets that are used. SOme yeilding more power with a smaller size. Wuts that all about?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

stronger the magnet.........the better...acts like a larger one and if it is a "focused" magnet it means it just works where needed more effectivly.

 

[Unregistered]

Rockford is the best. Hands down, end of discussion!!

Thats not an opinion, thats a fact.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lmao for spl or sq? and if you say either why does 1 dd do over 170? and in sq why do most of the guys usin rockford subs turn them off in sq judging? ..hmmmm

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Unregistered Rockford is the best. Hands down, end of discussion!!

Thats not an opinion, thats a fact.

Prove it......

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Magnet size is the biggest MOOT POINT when it comes to comparing speakers. So long as there is adequette magnetism to produce a sufficient feild arroud the VC.

A larger magnet will under no circumstances provide any advantage over a woofer with a smaller magnet.

Things like Back /Top Plate design, voice coil windings, spider assembly, pole piece, etc; determine the capabilities of a speaker. Or do Neville Thiele and Richard Small have it wrong somewhere?

take it easy,

-zane

 

[Unregistered]

Seems to me that zane has got his stuff together and his facts right on cue!

 

[RangerMan Premium Member]

Originally posted by Unregistered Rockford is the best. Hands down, end of discussion!!

Thats not an opinion, thats a fact.

This dude is full of crap!!! It is unfair to say that it is a fact that Rockford is the best. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but when people say that it is a fact that one sub is the best then that is pure and total BS

 

[Unregistered]

The sux because they are cheply made with paper and they have shitty voice coils. if you want more reply to me and i will continue with a page of why they sux

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

there is nothing wrong with paper cones at all if the speaker is designed right......kevlar is bullet proof yanno....shoot your poly cone and see what happens

 

[bumpin_blazer 5,000+ posts]

i will take anyone on for the amount of money i spent on my system. it may not be the cleanest hitting system out there but it will out bass anyone who wants to go next to me. that isn't running some 600+ a sub **** which yeah if i had thousands and thousands to spend i would use that **** too. but hey if anyone wants to roll next to me with something that they think is good bring it. i love my rockford just switched to 4 HX2 12"s all running on their own 1000 watt amp and i will out bass anyone you want me to so try that.

 

[mr.cableboi 10+ year member]

I think rockford is good company. I also like jl audio, ID, and whole lot other and far as

rockford is the best subs. NOT TRUE hehe. If i could affort them i would like some

ecilpses TI subs. I think those are nice. It depends on what you are looking for. What type of sound you are trying to get from you system. IMO .....remember that everybody has there own hehe. Its not the end of the world cause someone says RF *****.