i think what he was saying is OA will only be as big as Sundown ALLOWS them to be. They have a ceiling
OA was created to be the equivalent of Sundowns online only company as Sundown moves more towards dealer only. Also meant to be cost friendly. I dont think Jacob will "limit" what OA can do, but stay within the original goals of being "bang for your buck" type equipment. But thats not saying thats to limit OA products from being better than Sundown products.
since sundown is moving more towards dealer based stuff... that does sound like a logical thing with obsidian.. but who owns obsidian? is it jacobs.. or he just doing stuff for them/with them? someone inform me.. sigh i'm behind on the times.
It’s always interesting to read what, and how, people conjure up without any real concrete information. It’s one thing to assume but ask and verify (the correct way to go about it) than it is to come up with an erroneous assumption and tell everyone that said erroneous idea is the way things are. The only statement in this thread about how Obsidian Audio operates that is true is the one I highlighted from Mitch86. All you have to do is ask – both Jacob and I are pretty nice and will respond to any queries without malice.
As to the question of who owns Obsidian, the answer is posted on our About Us web page here (
Obsidian Car Audio) and also on our Facbook page here (
Log In | Facebook). //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif It is a joint venture between myself (Nick Lemons, Owner of Stereo Integrity) and Jacob from Sundown Audio.
Im thinking the only problem with obsidian is that they are designed partially by jacob from sundown and people might try to compare them to the sa. The sa is rated 600 watts and I've seen people put 4k into them. I have yet to see anyone do that to an oa,and they too are rated at 600 watts. Obviously build parts are different and for good reason--the oa is an affordable, efficient spl/sq driver which im sure will surpass most in its class and they seem absolutely awesome. I just hope no one expects an sa for that price.
The subwoofers are completely designed by me, not Jacob. The Obsidian subwoofers that are currently on the market were designed with the end user in mind all the time. A defined set of parameters for who the customer is, I don’t imagine just a single person, and what they want is a must. Once that is established the design process proceeds keeping performance, looks, and price in the picture. Obsidian’s 600 watt subwoofers were not designed to compete with the likes of the SI BM mkIII, Exodus Shiva-X, Sundown Z, Nightshade, or DD Z. They were designed to offer the best performance for a specified price point (sub $140 to the customer for the 12’s and sub $160 for the 15’s), and the Obsidian “600 watt” subwoofers hit the target square on the head! The Obsidian subwoofers are not an SA subwoofer, so exact same performance should not be expected. The Obsidian’s cost roughly 1/3 less than what the SA’s are currently priced at and they offer stellar performance to anything in their price category. They are a very good sounding subwoofer that handles a lot more power than what they are rated at, work in any alignment you can think of (sealed, ported, IB, bandpass, etc), play very deep, and possess the capability to be very loud.
Tommy K tested our prototype 12” Obsidian subwoofer and showed how it was louder watt-per-watt than an Fi Q and was within 1.5 dB of a DD 9512 up to ~2800 watts (
Car Audio Classifieds).
There are a few items that the Obsidian’s share with the SA’s, but a short list of what is different between the two drivers is as follows:
Surround material
Surround shape
Cone thickness
Basket type
Top plate OD
Top plate ID
Top plate thickness
Magnet grade
Magnet OD
Magnet ID
Magnet thickness
Backplate OD
Backplate ID
Backplate thickness
Backplate machining
Pole ID
Pole height
VC cooling method
VC winding width (winding height)
VC OD (both D2 and D4 are different from the SA)
VC former vents
Enclosure requirements
Thermal power handling (SA has the advantage)
On the TL the SA's are between 0.5 dB and 1 dB louder
F3 in specified enclosure sizes and types (OA's play a smidge lower)
Both drivers do use a Nomex spider, flat sewn-on leads, and a triple joint reinforcement advantage.