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[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

I know who people are after playing fantasy baseball for the past 5 years.

You just learn to know numbers..

But I also know how players play, considering I've watched baseball my whole life and have followed it every year...

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Not this arguement again. I personally think the NL is more competitive and agree with Beat about everything. The AL does have a huge advantage with the DH. I say take it out and watch their records resemble a lot of the National leagues records. I am also a Cleveland Indians fan. Just would love to see them take it out one year just to prove this point.

what does the dh have to do with anything? that does not explain how they are bad against each other.

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

i think he means individual stats

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

what does the dh have to do with anything? that does not explain how they are bad against each other.

How many times do I have to tell you. Matter of fact we had this discussion in the MLB thread. I would love to see them take out the DH and have the pitchers hit. I betcha the AL's records would look a lot like the National leagues.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

How many times do I have to tell you. Matter of fact we had this discussion in the MLB thread. I would love to see them take out the DH and have the pitchers hit. I betcha the AL's records would look a lot like the National leagues.

why? both teams in the NL don't have DH's so they are playing on an even playing field. that doesn't explain the NL teams loosing to each other. before these last 2 seasons, there were more then 1 team winning 90+ games. the NL has never had a dh so it didn't just effect them this year

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Taking away the DH won't theoretically have any effect on gameplay, as both teams will be handicapped.

If you said take away DH for all interleague, then you may see a difference...

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Taking away the DH won't theoretically have any effect on gameplay, as both teams will be handicapped.
If you said take away DH for all interleague, then you may see a difference...

exactly. idk what the hell bigbang is trying to prove

 

[bumpweLL.nYc 10+ year member]

its not NL vs. NL here

how can the DH not be an advantage?

no NL team has a bench player worthy of true DH status, so when they play in an AL park they are disadvantaged. The NL fill-in DH's never stack up to a true slugging DH.

When a AL team plays in an NL park, yes the AL team may lose a big bat but they can still sit a weaker bat if the DH has any skill playing position. Sometimes the lack of defense is still worth playing the DH, ala Big Papi. I dont see the NL team having any advantage when their home, except for the fact that they may have a better concept of small ball. But anyone can bunt.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

its not NL vs. NL herehow can the DH not be an advantage?

no NL team has a bench player worthy of true DH status, so when they play in an AL park they are disadvantaged. The NL fill-in DH's never stack up to a true slugging DH.

When a AL team plays in an NL park, yes the AL team may lose a big bat but they can still sit a weaker bat if the DH has any skill playing position. Sometimes the lack of defense is still worth playing the DH, ala Big Papi. I dont see the NL team having any advantage when their home, except for the fact that they may have a better concept of small ball. But anyone can bunt.

bigbang's explanation for the poor records in the NL is that the NL has no dh, but since they play each other, that doesn't matter. the cardinals have 2 hitters worthy of being a dh, chris duncan and scott speizio

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

this is not a discussion on numbers everyone. this is a disucssion IMO which league has better talent and teams. this has nothing to do with numbers.

also bumpweLL.nYc , your argument is very one sided thinking. as i said, it goes both ways as the national league usually plays with the pitcher hitting. so when an NL team goes to the AL ballpark, they don't have to worry about having a pitcher as they will have an actual professional hitter playing dh. its an actual plus for the NL team. but when an AL team goes to the NL ballpark, as stated earlier they have to play the DH in for defense (again a person as big papi is a defensive liability) and also adding that they have to have a pitcher hit as well. thus a huge adjustment the manager has to make. but this particular argument has nothing to do with NL vs AL. the AL has far better talent and teams.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

the tigers are actually built more like a NL team

 

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[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

why? both teams in the NL don't have DH's so they are playing on an even playing field. that doesn't explain the NL teams loosing to each other. before these last 2 seasons, there were more then 1 team winning 90+ games. the NL has never had a dh so it didn't just effect them this year

What I mean is there are a shit ton of good DH's in the American League. Hafner, Thome, Ortiz,Thomas,(still puts up good numbers) and others I can not think of at this moment. Now if you took out the DH then these players would most likely play a fielded pos. That means you would be losing someone who is probably better in the field and not as good with the bat. You have to have a good bat in their lineup, right? So my example. You have Kevin Youkillis from Boston at first base. Awesome fielder and pretty decent hitter. But you cant take Papi out of the line up and he really only is a first baseman. So Youkillis would most likely lose his spot and either become a bench warmer or learn another pos. Then the managers have to revamp the entire lineup and then there is the pitcher having to hit. Most American leaguer pitchers dont hit unless interleague play. So that being said, I bet if the AL was like the NL and didnt use a Dh, then their records in the AL would resemble alot of the NL's. Yes, there might be a few teams with 90 plus wins, but I highly doubt you would see AL records like this year. It would be more competitive all the way around. I wish they would try it for 1 year and see what happens.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

What I mean is there are a shit ton of good DH's in the American League. Hafner, Thome, Ortiz,Thomas,(still puts up good numbers) and others I can not think of at this moment. Now if you took out the DH then these players would most likely play a fielded pos. That means you would be losing someone who is probably better in the field and not as good with the bat. You have to have a good bat in their lineup, right? So my example. You have Kevin Youkillis from Boston at first base. Awesome fielder and pretty decent hitter. But you cant take Papi out of the line up and he really only is a first baseman. So Youkillis would most likely lose his spot and either become a bench warmer or learn another pos. Then the managers have to revamp the entire lineup and then there is the pitcher having to hit. Most American leaguer pitchers dont hit unless interleague play. So that being said, I bet if the AL was like the NL and didnt use a Dh, then their records in the AL would resemble alot of the NL's. Yes, there might be a few teams with 90 plus wins, but I highly doubt you would see AL records like this year. It would be more competitive all the way around. I wish they would try it for 1 year and see what happens.

yes, but all teams would be playing equal, and the dh has never been in the NL so it's not like you are taking hitters out of their lineup, like you are by taking ortiz out of the boston lineup. so if the AL didn't have a dh, the white sox for example, would've never traded for jim thome. before this year there was atleast 2 teams in the NL with 90+ wins, so this is simply a bad year for the NL

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

yes, but all teams would be playing equal, and the dh has never been in the NL so it's not like you are taking hitters out of their lineup, like you are by taking ortiz out of the boston lineup. so if the AL didn't have a dh, the white sox for example, would've never traded for jim thome. before this year there was atleast 2 teams in the NL with 90+ wins, so this is simply a bad year for the NL

Yes bad year, I agree with you there, but I am sure with the bats they would have then people like Papi and Hafner would play their natural pos, which is first base. I am sure Jim Thome wouldnt be playing for the sox, but someone else. I also know the NL never had the DH. I cant remember the year the DH was brought in. I think the pitchers should hit IMO. I just think the DH gives the AL an unfair advantage during interleauge play because some teams have very good DH's.