JL subs......you pay for what you get period.

[Remotia 10+ year member]

lawl, my friend has 2 w0 10"s in his truck running off of a dual or something 2 channel amp, 1 sub on each channel. they kinda move and his rear view mirror shakes a little bit, and since its a truck the subs are right against the seats and you can feel the vibrations on your back and hes always like "they're JL's baby, the best you can buy" and crap like that, its hilarious

JL Audio threads are a lot like Bose threads...

Lots of experts getting angry at newbies for buying overpriced audio equipment then bragging about it.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

JL is god ok.

Lets move on please

 

[Remotia 10+ year member]

....god of margin$.

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[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

Find and random dude with a pair of subs and ask him is he's heard of JL...........then ask him if he's heard of ( either SI, Adire, RE, Adescent,Tru,Zapco, Mcintosh,IA,etc whatever)..... the answer god **** majority of the time will be Yes and then No Anyone stop to think of JL's marketing also as a factor of price.....they spend a diguesting amount of money on advertising (more so IMO than alpine pioneer and kenwood, thoughi dotn have evidence)...but they reach out to so many more people than other companies do,preaching thier as the best of the best....this only builds the foundation that is the highway that is mainstream companies and price...all advertising.....
..if these smaller companies spent nearly as much on advertisement they'd probly overcharge too.... with the mainstream title come the fuel for the fires of price gouging......now w7's are unique yes......but quality factor per dollar is low, too **** low.... if the general public could somehow be enlightened to the quality per price ratio of many of these internet companies...they'd put jl under the table...

But there's 2 problems with this......first, that'd require people to use the internet and the "search" botton, which is quite rare indeed....and secondlu...the same old mainstream overpricing would start happening with these rising companies....and the cycle continues (as we are slowly starting to see with RE...which breaks my heart being a diehard RE fan)

there's my .02

I'm sorry, but what is wrong with making money?They're not there to make every single person happy, they're around to make money and sell a decent product.They're a business.If they feel their product is worth it, and people pay that much, let em' buy it.

Second, if you asked anyone about adescent, yeah they'd say no.It's ascendant audio....I don't know how hard it is to get it right.JL will NEVER be under RE, I'm sorry.JL is just too established and has their name out there.And you can actually get a reply to your emails....

RE is a business, they're trying to make money.They're supporting their dealers who run businesses, who are also trying to make a living.It is not their fault you are a ****ing penny pincher.JL does not overcharge.In fact, JL really has no say in what the final price is to the consumer.They just sell to their dealers at dealer cost and they're happy.Let the dealers make however much money they want.

Tru, zapco, and mcintosh do NOT rely on the internet for business.If I remember correctly all of them are against internet sales.Except tru, I know ED was selling their lower end shit for a while.

Build quality.I'm sorry, but don't even begin to compare the build quality of something from destijl to some of the larger companies.Many people think, mainstream = crappy build quality.Which I find not the case.I can not tell you how many **** subs we have gotten from destijl with chunks missing from the magnets, scratches on the chrome, extra glue dripping down the basket, extra glue stuck on the other side of the surround, glue on surrounds (only once or twice though), extra glue coming off from the dustcap, etc. etc. In fact I have a sub out in the shop right now just collecting dust, when you push it down you can hear a somewhat "scrunchy" noise.And we found out it's the extra glue on the back of the surround all schmeared around causing that noise.

I have never gotten a sub from JL, memphis, RF, alpine, powerbass, kicker, infinity, or kenwood with any of the above.

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

JL Audio threads are a lot like Bose threads...
Lots of experts getting angry at newbies for buying overpriced audio equipment then bragging about it.

I'd hardly consider most of the forum "experts", just half wise consumers.

 

[lebomb 10+ year member]

Your W1 is the Mercedes of subs? Sorry to (be one of many to) tell you that an entry level JL isn't exactly amazing.

Well no shiit genius......//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif I still think its a great entry level subwoofer.

 

[lebomb 10+ year member]

JL is god ok.Lets move on please

C'mon dude......its really not like that......we are just trying to clarify a few things up in here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif Its not big deal. Good ol debates are fun.

 

[psk1018dc 10+ year member]

A different analogy if I may... Buying a JL sub is like buying a ring or diamond from Tiffany; when you buy either you know you are getting very good quality, regardless of price. People buy from both of these companies because they probably don't know a lot about what else is out there and they don't want to take the time to find out, but they also want the best (or close to it) and are willing to pay for it. Basically, what you get with JL is proven quality. Is it the best there is? Maybe, depends on who you ask? Is it overpriced compared with what else is out there? Of course. But sometimes people would rather pay extra for a name that is well known and proven than for a name they have never heard of, even if that other company makes a product that is as good or better for less money. Anyways, thats just my $.02

 

[lebomb 10+ year member]

A different analogy if I may... Buying a JL sub is like buying a ring or diamond from Tiffany; when you buy either you know you are getting very good quality, regardless of price. People buy from both of these companies because they probably don't know a lot about what else is out there and they don't want to take the time to find out, but they also want the best (or close to it) and are willing to pay for it. Basically, what you get with JL is proven quality. Is it the best there is? Maybe, depends on who you ask? Is it overpriced compared with what else is out there? Of course. But sometimes people would rather pay extra for a name that is well known and proven than for a name they have never heard of, even if that other company makes a product that is as good or better for less money. Anyways, thats just my $.02

You hit the nail on the head. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[B_Campbell 10+ year member]

What up my fellow Texan...... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

Anyhow, that doesnt hide the fact that even with subs, you pay for what you get. The better materials, technology will always cost more than the standard. YES, your Impala is probably a more reliable car than a Benz, but there is noway in hell its worth more. Laytuh mang. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

What it do.

You pay for what you get, i agree with that to a point, but then the prices get inflated, look @ RE. Benz worth more used, yes.... But I seriously doubt the older 95 benz's have appriciated.... Since when do you see 30-50g benz from 95 going any where from 40-70k NEW.

NEVAAAARRRRRR

LONG LIVE GM... Wait nvm'd they're already dead.

RIP GM //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Jaredl 10+ year member]

You constantly preach that JL is amazing, and the TITLE OF THE GOD **** THREAD IS "you get what you pay for". Yet, just now you admitted JL is overpriced due to its name. The other crap you're spouting is trite and not exactly hard to realize.

 

[Sentinel 10+ year member]

everyone complains about how it's too overpriced..well im sorry to inform you but they're in a business to make profit not to sell it at a "reasonable price" all i hear about is people complaining is "it's not worth it" but i'll bet if it was the same price as a lot of these internet brand subs you'd go with W7 for sure.

everyone complains about how it sounds like sh*t or its not true SQ yet most internet brands are compared to the w7..all you hear is "it'll soind just as good as a w7" people are just hating on it because it's a simple sub and everyone knows about it. because any newbie that has cash can spend the money and get a great sub and it'll probably sound just as good or maybe even better than your internet brand "exclusive" sub.

it's like rich people that buy mercedez AMG vehicles. all of them come with automatic transmission and all you have to do is floor it to burn most cars (even ferraris) so people that are "true sports car enthusiasts" see it as being weak because it's not a stick. but in the end no one can deny that the car is a BEAST. (although quality has gone down since daimler chrylser took over.)

 

[Jaredl 10+ year member]

everyone complains about how it's too overpriced..well im sorry to inform you but they're in a business to make profit not to sell it at a "reasonable price" all i hear about is people complaining is "it's not worth it" but i'll bet if it was the same price as a lot of these internet brand subs you'd go with W7 for sure.

everyone complains about how it sounds like sh*t or its not true SQ yet most internet brands are compared to the w7..all you hear is "it'll soind just as good as a w7" people are just hating on it because it's a simple sub and everyone knows about it. because any newbie that has cash can spend the money and get a great sub and it'll probably sound just as good or maybe even better than your internet brand "exclusive" sub.

it's like rich people that buy mercedez AMG vehicles. all of them come with automatic transmission and all you have to do is floor it to burn most cars (even ferraris) so people that are "true sports car enthusiasts" see it as being weak because it's not a stick. but in the end no one can deny that the car is a BEAST. (although quality has gone down since daimler chrylser took over.)

Obviously JL exists to make money. They are a marketing machine, and have built their reputation up and can charge high prices for their products. The W7 is a benchmark for other subs because it is an excellent sub, but more importantly because JL is extremely mainstream and have played it up to be the best sub ever made for car audio. An internet brand can't build up marketing like that (I don't really care for internet companies, I'd rather get something proven). That is a terrible analogy, too. Mercedes has a similar spot in the market as JL, but it's not because of their marketing team. Mercedes aren't necessarily overpriced either (you're going to be paying a similar amount for any car in that class, whether it be BMW, Audi, Jaguar). You could purchase 2 IDMAXes (what I personally run and find to sound better than a W7 without as much output) for the price of a W7, and the IDMAXes are in the same class as the W7 with a proven competition background and an established company (obviously not as well-known as JL). Oh yeah, something like 20% of Ferraris are made with sticks at this point, and being a purist has absolutely nothing to do with choosing an internet sub over a W7.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

A different analogy if I may... Buying a JL sub is like buying a ring or diamond from Tiffany; when you buy either you know you are getting very good quality, regardless of price. People buy from both of these companies because they probably don't know a lot about what else is out there and they don't want to take the time to find out, but they also want the best (or close to it) and are willing to pay for it. Basically, what you get with JL is proven quality. Is it the best there is? Maybe, depends on who you ask? Is it overpriced compared with what else is out there? Of course. But sometimes people would rather pay extra for a name that is well known and proven than for a name they have never heard of, even if that other company makes a product that is as good or better for less money. Anyways, thats just my $.02

Best answer ive heard....

 

[cyantist 10+ year member]

The reason everyone knows about JL's product is advertising.. Advertising costs money, which increases operating costs, which affects product pricing.. It's all simple marketing.. The reason why the internet companies are lesser known and they have a smaller market share is directly related to what they spend on advertising, which in turn allows them to sell for a cheaper price.. This isn't rocket science.. I think JL makes a great product.. I run their amps and think they are some of the best I've ever owned.. I would never pay retail $ for their product though.. That's just not who I am.. The only reason I have their amps is because I got a good deal on them.. Value-wise, I don't think their product is worth it, for me.. But for the people that don't mind getting good quality product at a price they are willing to pay for said quality, then all the power to them.. Sure there could be better deals out there, but I for one can't argue JL's quality, and I've used/installed a lot of their product over the years, and quality has never been an issue.. Over priced perhaps, but it all comes down to where you find value and what's important to you.. Good deals can be had if you take the time to look around.. Nobody said you have to pay their retail prices, unless you want warranty, since there are many places you can find their product online for reasonable prices.. JL doesn't authorize internet sales whatsoever, hence no warranty.. Generally though, people who buy online aren't concerned with warranty as much as people who shop at b&m's..

Anyways, let me sum up by saying that I think JL makes some of the best quality gear that's easily accessible to the public (ie: at your local shop where you buy Alpine, Pioneer, Kenwood, etc..) and the prices they charge are, in part, reflected in them having a (nearly) household name, which doesn't/hasn't come cheap.. It takes money to make money, and JL has done a good job of it.. Still can't argue their quality regardless of price..