Is there an audible difference between MP3 and CD quatitly? find out for yourself!

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

lol these guys must be really bored today

Most of this happened late last night/ early this morning. Papermaker was busy making a fool of himself in many threads. Was hilarious.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Maybe for your self proclaimed golden ears. But to the rest of society 3db is the threshold we notice something is different.And that's scientificly proven.

And if it's just 3db on a few frequency you won't notice at all. 3db full range is noticeable.

Boy you a **** fool if you can't hear 2db difference. 1db is the threshold. Kmsl someone trolling the ship out of you.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Boy you a **** fool if you can't hear 2db difference. 1db is the threshold. Kmsl someone trolling the ship out of you.

So every scientific study agrees with me.

But you, the holy papermaker says otherwise. Brah

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Where's those left right measurements at your headrest on REW with no smoothing? I'm curious to what you think a good response is

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Blind Testing a 1 dB Level Difference

Listen for youself.. 3/4 volume. I can hear it eveytime.

 

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Where's those left right measurements at your headrest on REW with no smoothing? I'm curious to what you think a good response is

I just woke up. Lol

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

So every scientific study agrees with me. But you, the holy papermaker says otherwise. Brah

Show me one places that says the threshold is 3bd between sorces.. I put up a blind test. Again I hear 1db difference

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Show me one places that says the threshold is 3bd between sorces.. I put up a blind test. Again I hear 1db difference

I do it myself every time I tune a car.

As well as everyone else that tunes. When you get a source that has 1db adjustments you will also.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Loudness volume doubling sound level change factor of perceived loudness decibel scale log compare intensities formula calculate power level noise levels volume logarithm dependence three four fold loudness sound - by what factor does level decrease

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Loudness volume doubling sound level change factor of perceived loudness decibel scale log compare intensities formula calculate power level noise levels volume logarithm dependence three four fold loudness sound - by what factor does level decrease

Sensitivity of Human Ear

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

i read that one. at one time if was often though that 3db could be perceived to be twice as loud as far as subbass went in the log scae its actually 10DB and the threshold is 1db. if you cannot hear the difference you have bad hearing.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Doubling of the volume (loudness) should be sensed as a level difference of +10 dB − acousticians say.

Doubling the sound pressure (voltage) corresponds to a measured level change of +6 dB ●

Doubling of sound intensity (acoustic energy) belongs to a calculated level change of +3 dB.

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+10 dB is the level of twice the perceived volume or twice as loud (loudness) in psychoacoustics − mostly sensed.

+6 dB is the level of twice the (RMS) value of voltage respectively sound pressure − mostly measured ●

+3 dB is the level of twice the energy or power respectively intensity − mostly calculated.

*

For voltage and sound pressure in acoustics the measured RMS value (root mean square) is usually specified.

For sinusoidal AC signals, the peak value V0 or p0 is denoted by the term amplitude. VRMS = | V0 | / √ (2).

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

when metering the sound intensity would be doubled by doubling power(until you reached the limits of the equipment) and every time 3db increase was hear it would sound like 2x the intensity even thought we knew and understood that 10 was twice as loud 3db and a definite increase in sound intensity while 10db was substantially louder.

Thing is each person defines what they "think" is 2x as loud. its a fact that 10db is 2x the actual volume and 1db is the threshold of variance.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

I do it myself every time I tune a car. As well as everyone else that tunes. When you get a source that has 1db adjustments you will also.

dude at least take a look at the precessing in the unit i have before you automatically assume i do or don't have. they thread isn't about me its about hearing the difference between the file types. some hear a difference some don't not to mention its good training for critical listening.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

No, not double loudness. I think because the general nature of the "it takes 2x power or 2x cone area to gain 3db" notion that it might be also perceived as "twice as loud"
I just went from 1 12 to 2 12s, and amazingly almost gained 3db, cuz it never happens in real world. And its very noticably louder. But 148 to 151 isnt an earth shattering difference

exactly

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

peaks at 20 65 125 250 500 1 2.5k 5k 10k 12k 16k 20k

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

peaks at 20 65 125 250 500 1 2.5k 5k 10k 12k 16k 20k

A phone app? Seriously.

And where is left and right?

And **** that's some nasty high end. And where is the bass

Get REW, run it up to 90-95db. Get left and right full range.

Do I need to show you how to measure? Real question

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

A phone app? Seriously. And where is left and right?

And **** that's some nasty high end. And where is the bass

Get REW, run it up to 90-95db. Get left and right full range.

Do I need to show you how to measure? Real question

its not scaled on the topend. where the bass? you sure you reading this right? nasty topend? don't worry i will get each driver once i have a chance.the topend is outstanding nothing nasty about it the scale is so small ill stretch it out so you can see.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

its not scaled on the topend. where the bass? you sure you reading this right? nasty topend? don't worry i will get each driver once i have a chance.the topend is outstanding nothing nasty about it the scale is so small ill stretch it out so you can see.

Well you may like it but I'll tell you it won't score good on the top end. The rise should be a gentle roll off. Just looking at the measurement I'd say it's bright. As yes, where is the bass. Also next time use RTA not FFT.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

the sensitivity is really high. here it is stretched out. its **** near FLAT from 10k to 20k.

that's not smoothed let me see your FR it my "topend *****" its literality one of the best sounding car audio tweeters i've hear under 300 bucks.

 

[Papermaker85 5,000+ posts]

Well you may like it but I'll tell you it won't score good on the top end. The rise should be a gentle roll off. Just looking at the measurement I'd say it's bright. As yes, where is the bass. Also next time use RTA not FFT.

its not brite i assure you coming from someone who HATES bright systems. its actually not bright the "bright" sound comes from the 2-5k region 15-20 is your air. they sound open and defined. notice how i have the 2-5k cut? thats why its not bright but its AIRY. ill be shocked if it does score good it really does sound excellent. id love to see your FR for reference but no way in hell your going to do that.. FYI my box is tuned to 38 right now because i'm testing so yea 20 hz is pretty low still more than audible but my subsonic is high because im seeling well over 2k clamped @ 30hz with not SSF..

also hearing sensitivity is much lower as you approach the limits of your hearing. so between 180 and 20k its alot lower than say 10k and MUCH MUCH lower than 5k. same for subbass. once you get down to about 30hz you sensitivity drastically drops off..

i adjusted the sensitivity FFT IMO is easier to analyze if your can get past the non smoothed response you can see its pretty flat.