Is Install Guy Retarded?, Part 2

[anj46907 10+ year member]

don't you just hate it when a new guy comes around and tries to fit in and acts like he knows the culture, your style, and how big your dick is?

huh

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

more people are starting to realize they arent getting as good of a deal as what they thought at shops. on equip and installs. the problem is though that with more people doing it on their own the shops are raising prices to cover losses now.
when a shop charges you 100-150 to build a small simple slot port box and then you find out you can build it yourself for less than 50 it makes it hard to keep business.

Do you not understand the concept of TIME? Time costs money, it's called labor charge.

$150 to BUILD a small ported enclosure is a good price. You realize someone is building to YOUR specifications, for YOUR vehicle, and they more than likely have better skill than YOU, knowledge counts, experience counts. (Disclaimer, by "you" I mean the average consumer that walks into a shop looking for an enclosure to be built for them.) //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

I mean shit, Say you have 4hours into design, cutting, building, finishing, and carpeting the enclosure, $50 in materials. That only leaves the labor at $25/hour. Now, you're an installer and you get 50% commission on that and the rest goes to the shop.

$12.50/hour ain't much for custom labor.

People on this site who complain and have NEVER worked in the 12v industry are r-tards...

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/redface.gif.62fdbfe1a101588a808c4cff71bcb942.gif

nG

 

[Worlddre 5,000+ posts]

Do you not understand the concept of TIME? Time costs money, it's called labor charge.
$150 to BUILD a small ported enclosure is a good price. You realize someone is building to YOUR specifications, for YOUR vehicle, and they more than likely have better skill than YOU, knowledge counts, experience counts. (Disclaimer, by "you" I mean the average consumer that walks into a shop looking for an enclosure to be built for them.) //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

I mean shit, Say you have 4hours into design, cutting, building, finishing, and carpeting the enclosure, $50 in materials. That only leaves the labor at $25/hour. Now, you're an installer and you get 50% commission on that and the rest goes to the shop.

$12.50/hour ain't much for custom labor.

People on this site who complain and have NEVER worked in the 12v industry are r-tards...

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/redface.gif.62fdbfe1a101588a808c4cff71bcb942.gif

nG

50% is the good life ive never gotten above 40%

but the man speaks the 100% truth time = Money in this and every business and most installers work for beans so you have to get the money where you can

 

[kaimana 10+ year member]

one shop owner freaked out when i told him i was upgrading the big 3 with 0awg....he never heard of doing that before and gave me this "you're an idiot" look while shaking his head....

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

one shop owner freaked out when i told him i was upgrading the big 3 with 0awg....he never heard of doing that before and gave me this "you're an idiot" look while shaking his head....

That's a good question to ask a local shop if you are interested in their depth of knowledge. Ive used that line several times before, just to find out if they even know what Im talking about. A few knew. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

i haven't seen many tbirds with systems that go past the norm. that is why i was interested.

ever go to tccoa.com?

You over on tccoa too? I pop over every once in a while.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif no but thanks for the site. i have a tbird obsession. most particularly 1994-1996's. have owned 7 tbirds at one point. down to two now though:crap:

Nice! I love mn12 cars, just sold my 96 bird over the summer, down to just the cougar now....

got any pics? would love to see it

Yesssuuurrr

The bird back in the day

The coug^

Got some vids too. Feel free to shoot me a pm if you need any help with yours. Ive gone through a good little amount of setups in these cars. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

 

[anj46907 10+ year member]

love the bird mikey that is phat as hell

 

[sexiewasd 10+ year member]

When I was first getting into car audio (not that long ago) I had only started reading up on forums and visting best buy and circuit city to see what they had, I decided to check out a local audio shop. I had been referring people to for non audio stuff, because I know they know their stuff when it comes to alarm, cruise control, and head unit installs, I had seen really good work come from there on that aspect.

I walked in thinking JL was teh shiz as far as sound quality went. I asked him If I could hear a w7 10" (10" cuz teh base was faster!) He said sure and showed me the demo wall and looked at me when I failed to find the butons that make it boom. Instead of showing me how his wall worked he said you know, JL isn't really worth the money, (this is the owner and they carry JL!) He said let me show you what rockford can do, and it's cheaper. I followed him out back to the install bay where a lowered (forgot the car) car looked like a 76 caprice was sitting then he turned on the radio and **** it was pretty loud, not painful at all, but louder than I expected. I noticed he had components in the kicks, not in kickpanel boxes, but actually sunk in the floor. I could feel the air coming out of the open door and was genuinely impressed, then he said, soo what do you think, not bad for an 8"? ****ING BLEW MY MIND!!! Then I found it, It was in a custom center console facing the back seats, and it blended with the interior perfectly. I didn't buy anything, I just said thanks and went home and thought long and hard about my misconceptions of car audio. I became a car audio man that day.

(cliff notes)

The moral of the story (^ that wall of words) is not to count a shop out just because they only carry JL, Kicker, and Rockford.

 

[Ali1 10+ year member]

http://www.ficaraudio.com:crazy:

is this new?

 

[anj46907 10+ year member]

When I was first getting into car audio (not that long ago) I had only started reading up on forums and visting best buy and circuit city to see what they had, I decided to check out a local audio shop. I had been referring people to for non audio stuff, because I know they know their stuff when it comes to alarm, cruise control, and head unit installs, I had seen really good work come from there on that aspect.
I walked in thinking JL was teh shiz as far as sound quality went. I asked him If I could hear a w7 10" (10" cuz teh base was faster!) He said sure and showed me the demo wall and looked at me when I failed to find the butons that make it boom. Instead of showing me how his wall worked he said you know, JL isn't really worth the money, (this is the owner and they carry JL!) He said let me show you what rockford can do, and it's cheaper. I followed him out back to the install bay where a lowered (forgot the car) car looked like a 76 caprice was sitting then he turned on the radio and **** it was pretty loud, not painful at all, but louder than I expected. I noticed he had components in the kicks, not in kickpanel boxes, but actually sunk in the floor. I could feel the air coming out of the open door and was genuinely impressed, then he said, soo what do you think, not bad for an 8"? ****ING BLEW MY MIND!!! Then I found it, It was in a custom center console facing the back seats, and it blended with the interior perfectly. I didn't buy anything, I just said thanks and went home and thought long and hard about my misconceptions of car audio. I became a car audio man that day.

(cliff notes)

The moral of the story (^ that wall of words) is not to count a shop out just because they only carry JL, Kicker, and Rockford.

we dont count them out. JL, Rockford and kicker are very nice products and very expensive. the point we try to make is you can get the same boom, and even louder boom for a hell of alot cheaper and dealers dont wanna know about other products they just wanna bogard there sh*t

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

don't you just hate it when a new guy comes around and tries to fit in and acts like he knows the culture, your style, and how big your dick is?

my point exacty!!!

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

You over on tccoa too? I pop over every once in a while.
Ive gone through a good little amount of setups in these cars. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

yep. same name. i even posted in your build thread IIRC.

and i might need some help with how to build a 3 cube net @ ~30hz for 2 type x's (and actually get it IN the fckin car)

 

[MikeyB 5,000+ posts]

yep. same name. i even posted in your build thread IIRC.
and i might need some help with how to build a 3 cube net @ ~30hz for 2 type x's (and actually get it IN the fckin car)

Oh yeeeah, I remember. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Hit me with a pm if you need any help.

In my old bird I was able to slide in 7.5-8 cube (about 6.5 after disp) in the trunk //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

My cougar robbed me of 2in of height under the rear deck though. IIRC I could get about 17in high in the bird.

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

i got 16" high. i just dont think i can slide a 30"+ long box in without the trunk latch area holding me up.

but i'll deal with that when it gets closer