internet brands - all they're hyped up to be?

[Spkrman]

from what is said ur boxes arent anything more than a real quality built box with all spl precautions taken. and trunkspace.....in the two type r 12 enclosure..u have no trunkspace, the video shows that.

nothing more than a quality box thats loud? pssssh, thats nothing.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

and yes, the boxes are larger than your typical... because thats whats needed in many applications - becuase they are QUALITY and LOUD //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

but i assume your magical type r's are more than capable of those numbers right...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif i love it how you bash anything thats not a type R. maybe he knows how to build better enclosures than you, oh yeah i forgot thats not possible right? because we all know you and type r's pwn all right???

Umm, the guy just admitted that it was on the A/C....

Read before you post. And mark has video to back up his testing. So i don't know what point you are trying to prove.

 

[RCwhat 10+ year member]

Umm, the guy just admitted that it was on the A/C....

Read before you post. And mark has video to back up his testing. So i don't know what point you are trying to prove.

my point is that mark loves to bash anything other than type r's. Rl-p's will wipe the floor with type-r's in terms of LINEAR output. but i forgot how you guys love distortion....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif also concerning your sig, the sx should be knocking out the type r for linear output as well. do think that JL 12w6v2's sound crappy sealed too as does mark...

 

[creater 10+ year member]

yearThere are 15 old kids on the forums buying the net based stuff as their first subs. That doesn't mean they have any clue about how to hook things up.
Small net based companies may have done things as well to shake the "trust" of some people as well.

note that i aint one of those kids...

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Yes, those large companies have money for in-house R&D.
But, what you have to remember is that the internet brands use buildhouses (such as TC Sounds, Destijl, Resonance Inc, etc), who do their own internal R&D and then sell those R&D'd products or variations of them to multiple companies (including internet brands) to make back their money.

So, just because a company isn't big and doesn't have tons of capital, it doesn't mean there wasn't a fair about of R&D that went into their products.

For example; while Soundsplinter is an internet company, they use a buildhouse called TC Sounds who builds subwoofers for some very large companies such as Eclipse, Lightening Audio, SVS, etc......so, some of these products are closer to "mainstream" in build and design than you may realize.

To add to this idea, many times its from small companies that sprout large idea's that set the market on its ear. Its not always that colossal corporation's R&D department that comes up with some new breakthrough, sometimes its just a guy with an idea and a small amount of capital to get started. IMO the xbl^2 technology from Adire is a great example of this.

 

[Spkrman]

my point is that mark loves to bash anything other than type r's. Rl-p's will wipe the floor with type-r's in terms of LINEAR output. but i forgot how you guys love distortion....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif also concerning your sig, the sx should be knocking out the type r for linear output as well. do think that JL 12w6v2's sound crappy sealed too as does mark...

bash anything but type R's? please... I've put in a few threads that the RE SE makes a much better sealed box woofer - why? because it does. I give a rats arse about brand name... I only see performance, and thats IT. You have no idea what superwoofs the type R has spanked as far as SPL at a low note, why, because I won't post them until after finals.

Linear output? Have you heard a properly setup type R? It gets MUCH louder than the RL-P without reaching its limits... which means its just as loud WILL WITHIN its limits! Does it sound QUITE as good, not when the RL-P is setup properly, but it still gets so much louder and handles so much more power.

Type R's are half the price, also... and they sound plenty good enough for anyone but the hardcore SQ guys - they are definitely in the top 75% as far as SQ.

And the SX doesn't knock the type R in anything... including quality.

Please, before you decide what sounds better and what is louder - do your own testing. Until then, respect the testing that HAS been done and what HAS been shown... because I *don't* respect looking at a piece of paper and deciding what works best, contrary to EXISTING tests.

 

[d cha p 10+ year member]

Let me start my post by saying that this is by far the best thread I have seen in the time I have been here.

All aspects of a majority of the online companies are determined buy someone who loves car audio as much, if not more, than I do. People that are very knowledgeable and fluent with all aspects of the products they sell. Were as pricing, marketing, and other aspects of most larger ‘name brand’ companies are dictated buy some guys in business suits on the top floor of a skyscraper who more than likely know nothing of car audio and much less give a shit about it.

That is the deciding factor for me anyhow...

 

[d cha p 10+ year member]

Also you clowns that are pointlessly and tirelessly arguing about the type R vs. the world should shut the fu ck up and get the fu ck out of this good thread.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Also you clowns that are pointlessly and tirelessly arguing about the type R vs. the world should shut the fu ck up and get the fu ck out of this good thread.

Type R vs. j00 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

What kind of extra service should you need? If the stuff doesn't break, you shouldn't need any extra service.
I suppose it could be "cool" to buy the sub directly from the owner of the company, BUT that is not a determining factor when I buy equipment. My relationship is established with the local shop(who I am sure could get "extra" service for me if needed). I just don't worry about it. I have had quite a bit of different equipment in my cars over the years, and the stuff has very rarely had any reliability issues at all.

I am sure I am a nobody to JL Audio, but I don't need to be on a first name basis with them. I just need the stuff to perform as expected and not break.

All of these posts about mainstream/net based, etc might lead someone to believe that I don't like the web based companies or, as many idiots on the net like to call people "JL fanboy."

I am not arguing which sub is better. I do think that the REASONS why people choose one over the other just make little sense to me. I can't count how many times I have seen the "JL sucks" post on a forum by some dumb kid who has never even owned JL(or RF/Kicker/you name it). He just knows that if you don't order it over the net then it must be overpriced.

funny you should use JL as an example - 500.00 for a recone or out of warrenty service on a W7

 

[d cha p 10+ year member]

Type R vs. j00 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

you know what I meant...

 

[Spkrman]

Also you clowns that are pointlessly and tirelessly arguing about the type R vs. the world should shut the fu ck up and get the fu ck out of this good thread.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

my point is that mark loves to bash anything other than type r's. Rl-p's will wipe the floor with type-r's in terms of LINEAR output. but i forgot how you guys love distortion....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif also concerning your sig, the sx should be knocking out the type r for linear output as well. do think that JL 12w6v2's sound crappy sealed too as does mark...

You have obviously no idea what you are talking about. My guess is that you have zero experience with the RL-P, or type-r, and minimal knowledge about the potential of your SX. We've had experience with ALL THREE. In fact, we have each of those subs laying around right now (i just sold my SX yesterday). So don't tell me what i do and don't know about each of the subs. We've tested em all to their limits in every environment possible. Excuse me for praising the type-r for being a better sub. Why don't you come out here and listen to our setups and try to bash it. You'll be embarrassed.

You also must have missed my thread concerning the SX vs. seXXX vs. type-r. It was a doozy and pissed off quite a people like yourself, the arrogant "support whatever underground company i can without any real testing" forum n00b.

My comparison thread is in the type-r monstrosity somewhere, look for it. You'll be surprised. I'll give you the cliff notes, SX lost to both the seXXX and the type-r. Tried different boxes for all the subs, same power levels, same vehicle. Not only that, the type-r handled the power better (it handles both eD nine.1s on music, the SX and seXXX don't), it sounded better to me, and just is a badass sub.

So until you have some testing of your own, STFU n00b!!!!

And BTW, we don't bash any subs. We say what we think is the best for a certain install. If it requires a sealed box, stay the hell away from the type-r. I've recommended tons of other subs to people on a daily basis. We don't bash, we tell the truth. If the type-r doesn't work in a certain situation, we'll most definitely recommend something else.

EDIT: And to add insult to injury, why don't you talk to squeak and audiolife on this forum. They both heard marks UNFINISHED setup in the blazer with a pair of 12" type-rs. I'm sure they'll be glad to tell you about their experiences.

 

[chris96camaro 10+ year member]

do think that JL 12w6v2's sound crappy sealed too as does mark...

You're joking right? I'm yet to hear anything sound better than a 12w6v2

 

[RCwhat 10+ year member]

You're joking right? I'm yet to hear anything sound better than a 12w6v2

nope not joking, his quote:

they just don't sound good sealed IMO.

taken from this thread:

http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1166530#post1166530