How to select the proper fuse size


its common knowledge that can be found by those who are not clued in on the field by a simple one word search, "fuse". For that reason, there is no need. There was a topic the other day for new stickys and it was determined that with such common questions like this, there really is no reason for it because the people asking will not take the time to read the stickies.

Also, for the arguement that peak ratings shoudl be used, acidburn said you are an idiot because peak ratings are never sustained for more then a few seconds. Even when you areplaying at max volume, that doesnt mean you are getting peak figures. Peak figures on an amp are kind of like the peak ratings for a fuse. You will never see the "2000watts" from that amp rated at MAX figures, simply because if it does put out anythingnear that, it is only when the caps are charged and there is energy to spare on a big burst of signal, which usually last for something like .75seconds.

 
Also, one thing i noticed whilst reading your sticky. You kind of made it sound like the amp in question, the class d one, will be pulling 150A all the time. This isn't the case for those of you who don't know. The amp will only pull that at near max lvls.

 
First off I would like to thank the contributors of this thread greatly.

Second, I had a question about how to calculate the fuse size required for the distribution block.

Background:

I followed the steps to calculate my total system current draw and my final number is:

171amps

JL Audio 1000.1 = 101amps

Kicker KX600.4 = 70amps

I will be purchasing

0/1 gauge wire:

http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KFX0R

300 amp max

Used from battery to distribution block

In-Line Waterproof ANL Fuse Holder w/ 250amp Fuse

http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=FH-20

Used within 18 inches of battery terminal

4 gauge wire:

http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KFX4R

150 amp max

Used from distribution block to amps

Distribution block:

http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KNF-12

My question is how do i figure out what fuse size I need for the distribution block?

the options are 30amp-150amps

Also if anyone could recommend other sites that sell the above/comparable materials for less that would greatly be appreciated.

I will also be doing the big 3 using the same 0/1 gauge wire

I believe one of the big 3 requires an inline fuse between positive battery post and alternator.

Could I use another In-Line Waterproof ANL Fuse Holder w/ 250amp Fuse for this step? or should the fuse be a different size? If so how would I figure out the correct fuse size required?

Thanks in advance for all your help!

 
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This may be a newb question, I’m just starting to really dig into proper custom fusing, but why do some amps have built in fuses and some don’t? Say my Alpine MRX-M110 has 100amp fuse built in (4x25amp) but my Orion 2500D does not have any fusing, I think I read somewhere 250amp is what’s best for these at 1ohm, I’m in the process of switching these 2 amps so any insight in fusing the Orion 2500D @ .7ohm would be cool, I keep reading stuff that sounds like fusing is based on what the amp will pull, not what the wire will take. I want to protect the amp as well as my wiring, I’m running single 2awg from battery split to 2x 4awg to amp 4awg inputs. Planned on going with 120 amp fuse on each of the amps 4awg leads and a 250 amp breaker near under hood battery. Was reading 250-300 amp fuse is good for this early Class D mono block for the 1-.5ohm range. I’m just reading from multiple sources that the fusing is to protect the wiring but isn’t also to protect the amp? Or am I just thinking all newbish and wrong? I plan on clamping this amp soon as it’s hooked up to know what I’m pulling at max and general ride listening volumes, gains set with my Oscope to prevent clipping of any sort.
 
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There seems to be a lot of questions regarding fuses and fuse sizes lately.

Here are some helpful hints in the process to find the right fuse for you.

1.) Determine your wire size's max. amp capacity. Refer to http://www.the12volt.com/info/recwirsz.asp to find your wire. A lot of people run 1/0 so we will use this as an example. The max capacity is 350amps. This means that if more than 350amps are running through the wire it will burn. The point of a fuse is to have the fuse open before this wire burns.

2.) Next, you have to understand the point of the fuse as explained earlier, so obviously you want to make sure the fuse is not larger than the max. capacity of the wire, as we want the fuse to open (or blow/break are other terms) before the wire burns. So right now we are looking at fuses under 350amps.

*By the way... When you are dealing with a fuse size up around 300amps or so, you will probably be looking at ANL fuses (the long ones horizontally, with a sort of spade terminal on each end), not AGU (the cylinder ones) or MAXI (the colored plastic ones found in you car/truck fuse box). *

3.) Next we have to make sure that your equipment will not draw too many amps to open the fuse. **IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A HIGH WATTAGE SYSTEM YOU CAN SKIP OVER STEP 3** For this step, we have some calculations to do. Let's say for arguements sake we are running a 1500watt Class D mono amp for our subwoofer, and a 300watt Class A/B amp for our components. To calculate the estimated amps that each of these will require, here is a quick calculation.

A.) Take each amp, one at a time, and take the amps RMS and (too be safe) divide by 12. (More realistically, your car runs at about 13.8volts, but to be safe, use 12. You could calculate for 12volts and 13.8 and average the two, but we are just looking for a ballpark figure).

1500(watts rms)/12(volts) = 125amperes (or amps) current

300(watts rms)/12(volts) = 25 amperes (or amps) current

B.) Next you want to account for class efficiency. Class D amps are about 80% efficient, so take your figure from your class D amp, 125amps, and multiply it by .2 (or 20%) to add efficiency.

125amps * .2 (class D efficiency) = 25amps

Now add this figure to the original

125amps(from the total RMS/12 of the class D amp) + 25amps (the class D efficiency) which gives you 150amps. So your 1500watt class D amp will draw around 150amps. Already you can see what could go wrong if you used a 150amp fuse, for just this amp alone is drawing around 150amps, which could open our fuse.

Now for the 300watt A/B amp. A/B amps are about 60% efficient, so multiply the original figure by .4 (40%)

25amps * .4 (class A/B efficiency) = 10amps

As we did with the Class D, add 25amps (total RMS/12 from the A/B amp) and add the 10amp (Class A/B efficiency) = 35amps

C. This gives you 150amps for you Class D amp, and 35amps for your A/B amp. Therefore your system will pull around 185amps, at full RMS, at 12volts (although when your alternator is running, you are at more around 13.8volts, which would give us a smaller figure than 185, more around 150 or so)

4.) So as we know our fuse must be rated ABOVE what our system will draw, we now know approximately what our system WILL draw, which is 185amps. Therefore our fuse must be under 350amps, and over 185amps. A 200amp or 250amp fuse would be fine for this situation, most people go with a 250amp fuse on 1/0gauge.

I am no electrical engineer, so please, feel free to chime in on anything you feel is wrong and should be corrected, or any questions. I will gladly edit and make changes. Thanks for your time, I hope this can help a few people out.
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