gun control?

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

i would hope you cannot just walk in and buy a gun. my point is to sell guns to responsible people. you shouldn't be able to just buy a gun like a bag of chips. that's ridiculous

no but any kid on the street can make a bomb out of household ingredients......

 

[bds0688 10+ year member]

Even if a teacher had a gun, how effective would it be? The student just has to take the teacher out first. Plus, all civilians are trained to shoot guns in calm, collected manners. How many Joe shmoes are taught how to fire when they have adrenaline and fear surging through every part of their body? I imagine having a gun toting psychopath in your room would murder any demeanor and aiming skills you had. What if the teacher misses, and gets killed? Psych-Jack now just has more ammo.

Campus security is the biggest factor. I go to school on a campus of roughly 30,000, and I honestly never see any security. No one with tasers, hell, mace even. Nothing to at least hinder and slow down someone with a gun. A good starting point would be security per building. Two people, and always moving. Something happens in a building, they could simply press a button and get police/swat there ASAP. In the mean time, security has to do what they signed to do, put their life on the line.

Gun control has nothing to do with protecting students. Security needs to protect, and local police and swat need to have plans for any given building, schedule of classes, whatever.

I don't feel in danger while on campus, but I would like knowing if someone was packing heat, I would not have to rely on hiding alone.

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

if the US military decided to take over this country there is no way the local militia's will be able to do anything. back when the constitution was written, it was basically so the government couldn't come in and take your property. in the modern era i think it has taken on a new role to defend yourself against other peers and not the government

i wouldnt go down without some sort of fight though

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

but then again if you are putting millions of dollars in security systems and personell to protect, you wont have many students at the college. it would be like paying for a harvard education to get a community college degree. haha

what do you mean? just having armed security patroling campus and training these people how to react in these situations will be millions of dollars? also the local police dropped the ball on this one. also this dude said many times he wanted to commit ******* and he did commit ******* so the fear of him getting shot would've been no deterrent here

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

its not even about protecting yourself from the government anymore. its more or less protecting yourself from crazy bastards that live all over the us.

 

[jdawg 5,000+ posts]

have you read this entire thread? if so you'd have realized thats been said several times already.

I think the problem here isnt law abiding citizens that purchase guns legally, but the criminals who buy them on the street, they are the ones committing the crimes, mostly to themselves, but not always. You also get your average citizen who is being carjacked, robbed and *****. If we would allow these people to carry a gun the criminals would be less likley to commit a crime against them, fearing their own lives. I think it has already been proven over the past 20 years or so that making it more difficult for your average joe to carry a gun has not decreased crime.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

no but any kid on the street can make a bomb out of household ingredients......

so because of that, we should sell guns to anybody cause people can just make bombs or get a hold of poison

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

i'm not advocating banning guns. try to make it where responsible people get guns.
you notice though, how all these massacres take place in middle to upper class areas and not inner cities where all the illegal guns are at?

no that happens all the time, not to be a dick or anything but no one cares enough to put them on the news.

Rochester NY has one of the highest murder per capita in the US, and i hear about maybe 1 or two murders in the city per month on the news, and those are normally little kids who get hit by driveby's or stray bullets.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

no that happens all the time, not to be a dick or anything but no one cares enough to put them on the news.
Rochester NY has one of the highest murder per capita in the US, and i hear about maybe 1 or two murders in the city per month on the news, and those are normally little kids who get hit by driveby's or stray bullets.

if a massacre happened in the middle of detroit, it would be on the news. idk about your local news but on ours there is atleast one murder reported in the city of detroit everyday.

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

what do you mean? just having armed security patroling campus and training these people how to react in these situations will be millions of dollars? also the local police dropped the ball on this one. also this dude said many times he wanted to commit ******* and he did commit ******* so the fear of him getting shot would've been no deterrent here

you were talking about metal detectors, security vehicles and such, you would need a security building....... after everything is added up im sure it would be a couple mil.

and unless every big institution got grants from the government to put these in, the money would be comming out of the students pockets i think.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

you were talking about metal detectors, security vehicles and such, you would need a security building....... after everything is added up im sure it would be a couple mil.
and unless every big institution got grants from the government to put these in, the money would be comming out of the students pockets i think.

my community college has a security building so i'm sure a university can afford it.

detroit public schools have metal detectors and they are the poorest schools in the nation

 

[NhustlaR 10+ year member]

so because of that, we should sell guns to anybody cause people can just make bombs or get a hold of poison

no im just saying if someone wants to **** up some peoples day, a gun is not the only option. you could make 100s of things out of household materials. should we ban those materials because you could kill someone with them?

i mean you can go in a building and mix a ton of bleach and ammonia(i think thats what it is) and kill or severly hurt a ton of people. should we give background checks to everyone who buys those goods?

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

with all the buildings on a campus, metal dectors wouldn't be a plausable idea. i was surprised when i went to ann arbor and was able to just walk right on to the michigan campus.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

no im just saying if someone wants to **** up some peoples day, a gun is not the only option. you could make 100s of things out of household materials. should we ban those materials because you could kill someone with them?

i mean you can go in a building and mix a ton of bleach and ammonia(i think thats what it is) and kill or severly hurt a ton of people. should we give background checks to everyone who buys those goods?

i'm not advocating banning guns. i thought i made this clear //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif if you are a responsible person you should be able to have a gun, and there should be a process to determine you are responsible.

 

[4runnercrazy 10+ year member]

i'm not advocating banning guns. i thought i made this clear //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif if you are a responsible person you should be able to have a gun, and there should be a process to determine you are responsible.

i agree, the major problem is the black market..........most people would say the Police are not doing their jobs but its just so freaken hard to track