gun control?

[elementxero 10+ year member]

I'm glad this forum followed what every news station and politician will be doing in the next few months which is immediately launching into a trademark American Knee-Jerk reaction/outrage.

Perspective: ancient relic of society?

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

I only have time to quote this one but there were more. There already is a process which does this. Its the nics check. If your not a fellon, or mental or havent beaten a female, you get the gun. Criminals dont go throuh this check. You stated it shouldnt be as easy to buy a gun as a bag of chips. It isnt. Ive bought hundreds. It can be a pain in the ***. Ive gotten delayed numerous times. After reading in more detail, it does seem that your postings arent as bad as I originally thought. I appoligize. This is a sore subject for me, being a freedom loving american, gun enthusiast.

the problem is you are taking my posts out of context and jumping to conclusions. the comment with the bag of chips was made in response to someone who posted they should be able to walk in and buy a gun. i don't agree. there should be a process. i also many times that banning guns will solve nothing. people will still get guns and they'll be passed around like crack

 

[chuksw9ve 10+ year member]

The goverments of the people killed in the above mentioned massacres took the guns from the people killed...They could not defend themselve against a tyranical goverment...Therefore,they were killed.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

so what happens if you are roomates with cho and he gets ahold of your gun?

What if a meteor comes down and wipes out the whole campus? Then it wouldn't matter if he got my gun or not.

There are a ton of what if's that you could come up with in this situation. He didn't seem to have any trouble getting a gun now anyways.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

What if a meteor comes down and wipes out the whole campus? Then it wouldn't matter if he got my gun or not.

There are a ton of what if's that you could come up with in this situation. He didn't seem to have any trouble getting a gun now anyways.

apparently the point is not getting to you.

you maybe able to carry a gun responsibly, but what about your roomate? i know in your situation your roomate is responsible, but in other campuses that roomate can just steal your gun. that would worry me that my roomate could take my gun and shoot me and start a shooting spree

and your logic is great. he can get it somewhere else so it don't matter if he were to get it from me

 

[chucku 10+ year member]

that right there is another problem. gun shows should be outlawed.

Heres another example of you ignorance. Have you ever been to a gunshow and bought a gun? There are cops everywhere, I dont think people go there to purchase guns illegally. You still have to go through a background check. People need to get the facts straight before they speak on this subject. 99% of the people talkig about gunshow loopholes and gun controll know dick about the subject, and have no real personal exsperience whatsoever.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Heres another example of you ignorance. Have you ever been to a gunshow and bought a gun? There are cops everywhere, I dont think people go there to purchase guns illegally. You still have to go through a background check. People need to get the facts straight before they speak on this subject. 99% of the people talkig about gunshow loopholes and gun controll know dick about the subject, and have no real personal exsperience whatsoever.

i was going by what the original poster said and you should also note i was quoting said post

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

apparently the point is not getting to you.
you maybe able to carry a gun responsibly, but what about your roomate? i know in your situation your roomate is responsible, but in other campuses that roomate can just steal your gun. that would worry me that my roomate could take my gun and shoot me and start a shooting spree

and your logic is great. he can get it somewhere else so it don't matter if he were to get it from me

He could also take a knife from you and start stabbing people. Or he could take a baseball bat and kill people. Do you want me to keep listing things that he could kill people with? If your roommate is going to kill people, he is going to do it whether there is a gun there or not.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

He could also take a knife from you and start stabbing people. Or he could take a baseball bat and kill people. Do you want me to keep listing things that he could kill people with? If your roommate is going to kill people, he is going to do it whether there is a gun there or not.

if he takes a knife or bat from the room i could tackle him much easier then with a gun. it takes a lot longer to kill someone with a knife or bat then a gun.

 

[chucku 10+ year member]

that right there is another problem. gun shows should be outlawed.

That is your own statement not a quote. I will be at gunsnetwork the rest of the evening. If anybody has any questions on our gun rights, laws, or the second amendment, check it out theres lots of info on ak-47 weapons there also.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/inlove.gif.6846f78f06b405429ef3a00129788a2a.gif

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

That is your own statement not a quote. I will be at gunsnetwork the rest of the evening. If anybody has any questions on our gun rights, laws, or the second amendment, check it out theres lots of info on ak-47 weapons there also.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/inlove.gif.6846f78f06b405429ef3a00129788a2a.gif

the statement was in response to someone who said they could just walk into a gunshow and buy a gun and walk out and in which case that should make gunshows outlawed. if that isn't the case then i'm sorry. when you take things out of context they can take on new meanings

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

if he takes a knife or bat from the room i could tackle him much easier then with a gun. it takes a lot longer to kill someone with a knife or bat then a gun.

What if you're sleeping? On the computer with headphones? Have your back turned to him?

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

What if you're sleeping? On the computer with headphones? Have your back turned to him?

then he stabs you and takes your gun and shoots up the school

 

[Buffalohed 10+ year member]

apparently the point is not getting to you.
you maybe able to carry a gun responsibly, but what about your roomate? i know in your situation your roomate is responsible, but in other campuses that roomate can just steal your gun. that would worry me that my roomate could take my gun and shoot me and start a shooting spree

and your logic is great. he can get it somewhere else so it don't matter if he were to get it from me

I am with mattf on this one.

What you are failing to realize is that part of carrying a gun responsibly is making sure you are the only one that has access to it. If you leave the gun somewhere where someone else, like your roommate, can get it, then you are being irresponsible with the gun. Just like giving it to the roommate would be irresponsible. Edit: Also just like shooting someone with it is irresponsible, and illegal (I believe there are laws that make it a crime to have a gun where people can access it, not 100% about that though)

Now the roommate could always break open your safe with some tools, or ambush you while you had the weapon out. But that has nothing to do with being roommates, that is a criminal committing a crime and it could happen regardless of the circumstances of ownership.

Also, there is no difference between a knife and a gun for the argument you are trying to make. Yeah, it may be easier for you to stop someone with a baseball bat if you are bigger than them. Maybe it is easy for me to stop people with a gun because I'm a 7th degree black belt. Just because you are more willing to confront someone with another weapon doesn't mean that someone using that weapon for violence is not as bad as using a gun.

Anyway, I agree with you for the most part about gun control. I have never really thought about the issue of firearms being allowed on campus, but now that I am thinking about it I do think it should be legal. If I choose to carry a gun to protect myself from crazy people where I live (pretending it is a campus), I don't want that right taken away from me because of where I live.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

I am with mattf on this one.
What you are failing to realize is that part of carrying a gun responsibly is making sure you are the only one that has access to it. If you leave the gun somewhere where someone else, like your roommate, can get it, then you are being irresponsible with the gun. Just like giving it to the roommate would be irresponsible.

Now the roommate could always break open your safe with some tools, or ambush you while you had the weapon out. But that has nothing to do with being roommates, that is a criminal committing a crime and it could happen regardless of the circumstances of ownership.

Also, there is no difference between a knife and a gun for the argument you are trying to make. Yeah, it may be easier for you to stop someone with a baseball bat if you are bigger than them. Maybe it is easy for me to stop people with a gun because I'm a 7th degree black belt. Just because you are more willing to confront someone with another weapon doesn't mean that someone using that weapon for violence is not as bad as using a gun.

Anyway, I agree with you for the most part about gun control. I have never really thought about the issue of firearms being allowed on campus, but now that I am thinking about it I do think it should be legal. If I choose to carry a gun to protect myself from crazy people where I live (pretending it is a campus), I don't want that right taken away from me because of where I live.

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