FI Q in a Phase Box.

[Toxic Tuan 10+ year member]

Good Marketing > Joo
Am I going to buy a Chevy just because they have made the courvett and it was good? No.

Also, I had no problem getting a small hair trick from a single Avalanche 18 in a conventional ported enclosre with a third the power...144dB @ 35Hz is moving air. It wasnt a spectacular hair trick like in the video...but it would fuzz it if it wasnt too long.

Good for you.

Tuan

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

You guys are the people criticizing our videos. You don't remember the video of the 2 15" XBL^2 Avalanches (weak motors) and 1 colossus doing a hairtrick? I guess if that doesn't say much...I hope you can do better.

I probably wouldnt of commented another time on this thread, mainly because its devoid of purpose at this point. But this statement made me remember that video clearly....and I remember thinking "wow I bet Tuan's glad he gets free recones from AA" //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[Toxic Tuan 10+ year member]

I probably wouldnt of commented another time on this thread, mainly because its devoid of purpose at this point. But this statement made me remember that video clearly....and I remember thinking "wow I bet Tuan's glad he gets free recones from AA" //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Surprisingly...we never blew that sub.

tuan

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Edited because i don't feel like bothering with this any more.

TTB= new p4s

/thread

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

If you guys are a bunch of educated individuals who build your own boxes...chances are you will never buy one of our enclosures. Not only that...you guys are the ones attacking Team Toxic Bass about the designs to begin with and demanding data. You guys are the people criticizing our videos. You don't remember the video of the 2 15" XBL^2 Avalanches (weak motors) and 1 colossus doing a hairtrick? I guess if that doesn't say much...I hope you can do better.
All I can say is...just go ahead and build your own enclosures. Measure your own enclosures and get your own numbers. Heck...why don't you build a enclosure that plays all the way down to 22 hz and then meter it and see if the results and "numbers" will be of any significant. BTW have you ever been to a sound quality competition? Do they use a RTA? And why not? We will have results where the meter does mean something...IN THE LANES!!! We're tired of people continuously asking us to prove ourselves. We've done that over and over again...and most importantly at World Finals. End of story.

You guys will never get results or help from myself or my team with that kind of attitude towards us and our designs. I have always been good to those that have been good to me.

Team Toxic Bass and Toxic Enclosure Engineering will do just fine without having to prove ourselves again and again.

Tuan

Some here have been critical, but for those of us that may actually be interested, I think you owe it to us to give us some sort of evidence as to innovational nature of this box. An educated consumer does not buy based on the manufacturer's claims. I am not bashing the ability of you or TTB to build great boxes. I know you can and have built some great enclosures, but when a company peaks my interest by claiming to have developed a revolutionary or innovative product, you can not expect me to hand over my cash blindly. The fact that patents have been talked about shows that you believe that something special has been created here. Why not back that up for us discriminating buyers. You claim that numbers only mean something when "in the lanes". I am assuming that you are talking about SPL competition here. You also say that this is not an "SPL" box. These statements seem to be contradictory to me. As I said before, if I get some sort of data that backs up your claims, I may be interested in a purchase. However, I will NOT buy something based on claims and a video that you yourself said did not showcase the box's capabilities because of it's listening area-specific qualities. If there is a valid reason for your refusal to post data, such as something dealing with the patents, just say so. The "I'm not giving you data because you're a bunch of assholes" thing is just unfair to those of us who have been objective in this thread. I have had several good, non-critical comments and questions throughout this thread. I would appreciate it if you didn't ignore my comments just because I prefer to research things before I buy.

Just my 2 cents...I was told, years ago when I first began involving myself in car stereo, that a bad install can make a good woofer sound bad, and a good install can make a bad woofer sound pretty good. YET....people will buy a woofer by the specification numbers, and then proceed to instll them poorly. When the sound is less than what they expected, they proceed to call the manufacturer a liar with hyped claims about what the product was supposed to do, but didn't. So....the numbers might seem to satisfy you, and yet, it will STILL depend on how the install is done, anyway....right?

Sure, I might like to see the numbers, as well. However, if the numbers look good in a Honda, will there be the same difference in a Ford? I understand what Tuan is saying about different measurements for every vehicle.

I think that if you guys are that interested in findind out about this, buy one, and test it for yourself. I see guys who will lay out $1000 for a set of woofers without blinking. When they don't like them, they'll sell them for $500. Yet, squeal at spending $250 for a custom enclosure!!! Sorry, I don't see the problem.

Then you aren't too bright. People pay that much for woofers that have PROVEN themselves, not a new, supposedly revolutionary product that has not been widely tested. The product we're talking about her IS the main portion of the install. People on this forum don't buy based on manufacturer claims. We KNOW that TTB does good installs and builds great boxes. We understand that installs are vehicle-dependant and that there is no way they can give us info that pertains to a large number of vehicles this early in development. All we want is some data that shows what THIS box does in THIS application.

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

Good for you.
Tuan

Yeah it is. The point being, the ability to do a hair trick with 3200w and two 15's of that magnatude in a wall, fancy design or not, isnt that great of a feat. It's nothing that will make me hail all of your enclosure design skills unqestionably awsome. Is it a neat video? yeah sure.

 

[Toxic Tuan 10+ year member]

Yeah it is. The point being, the ability to do a hair trick with 3200w and two 15's of that magnatude in a wall, fancy design or not, isnt that great of a feat. It's nothing that will make me hail all of your enclosure design skills unqestionably awsome. Is it a neat video? yeah sure.

Everybody says it's easy...but when it comes down to doing it...that's a different story. I would love to see you try it. Remember...the way is way behind the B Pillar and it plays all the way down to 25 hz with ease.

Maybe you're right...you're a good box builder. Then I really have nothing to prove to you.

tuan

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

Like I have the room for a wall in a Ford Ranger...I already have the two 15's though...and I'm doing hair tricks still. Agian with one third the power. And It plays down to below 25Hz.... even lower when I plug the port.

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Tuan, I don't mean to be critical here. I have tried to avoid it in this thread. But ignoring potential customers isn't a good way to promote your business.

 

[rpfuror 10+ year member]

The average buyer of a Toxic design is not going to be someone that would even have read past the first page of this forum as if they went to Toxic in the first place they are willing to pay for a company to help with there system and / or build them a enclosure.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, to each is own. I have seen much worst prices for custom enclosures from local shops probably not even “custom designs”.

I am back to the car audio seen after many years away.. I am never going to compete.. and I have never paid for anything in regards to install, tuning or configuration, nor will I ever as I like to play and treat it as a hobby…. This is where I have problems with everything that is going on in this forum, either people are taking themselves way to seriously or they are trying to promote propaganda… have you seem how many people have viewed this forum already??

The more Tuan replies the more comments like mine come out, the more people read the forum, the less it says, etc.

Short or being “World Champ”, like this wasn’t mentioned every time he posts, I don’t see anything worthwhile being said.

Really how many people care about being “World Champ” or even have the money or time to devote to it?

“ I remember one time my best friends, brothers, friends, girlfriends, mothers, half sister knew a guy that hit 155 at a head rest with 6" driver in a TL design from the same guys brothers box builders friend.”….. Wait sorry that’s another Rant….

 

[slick rick 10+ year member]

welcome to the forums. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[squeak12 10+ year member]

Why don't yall just get off of his nuts. Its his design that he has put his time and money into. Why should he share any of the info with you for any reason regardless of money? When you spend hours upon hours testing, calculating, building, and spending money on something you can share it for free. Better yet, use your time now to figure out everything he has. Its not like someone sold the ideas to him, some things have to be earned...

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

Here is my .02 on this. The box design works, I've read posts from a number of people that say the box works. Sure its kinda pricey, but what custom isn't? I'm going to buy one if he builds it for me. I mean, we don't know the secret recipe to coke, but I bet you guys drink it, am I right? LOL.....I have no point on this.....for me, its supposed to be a GREAT box design, so I'll take the plunge, if it sounds better than it currently does (my setup) then I am happy. If not, I'm out 250 dollars and I have something to rant about on here.

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[Megalomaniac 5,000+ posts]

i emailed them. from what i gather he(whether it be pete or tuan ,doesnt matter)said it doesnt have the output for a trunk car compared to a T-Line box.

"As it pertains to

the

cross-sectional area at the b-pillar in relation to the axial cabin

length

(dash to rear deck) of a mid-size trunk vehicle such as Accord LX, the

Phase

box has very little to offer. I would strongly recommend an off-axis

transmission line. "

note thats not full email

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

Here is my .02 on this. The box design works, I've read posts from a number of people that say the box works. Sure its kinda pricey, but what custom isn't? I'm going to buy one if he builds it for me. I mean, we don't know the secret recipe to coke, but I bet you guys drink it, am I right? LOL.....I have no point on this.....for me, its supposed to be a GREAT box design, so I'll take the plunge, if it sounds better than it currently does (my setup) then I am happy. If not, I'm out 250 dollars and I have something to rant about on here.
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Coke is not a supposedly "revolutionary" product. It has been around for decades, and has been tested over and over again. Even if it were new, it is readily available for a cheap price for anyone who wants to try it out. Really no comparison there. Besides, we don't want to know the "secret recipe", we just want proof of the results. If you are willing to spend that kind of money without any tangeable proof of the results, then you have far too much disposable income.