Ed's New Sub Vid

[B_Campbell 10+ year member]

bleh

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

OMG your are the biggest tool ever, you have the right to not sit back while i spew ED info, hell i dont care. that doesnt mean i am not going to sit back either and take your shit. and the last thing you can do is hurt my feelings, i will take it to the next level if i have to.
so yeah, what else you got!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you talking about now? Rumble after school? lmao //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/*******.gif.a649d21efc0d1fd4890a6428166586c1.gif

Just ignore it.
If people think eD has complaints, check out companies like Wal-Mart, Target, Best-buy, etc where there are 1,000s of complaints about the same issues.

That's so not a fair comparison. You named immensely larger companies, obviously they will have complaints. Try comparing eD, and its practices, to a business more its size. Hell there are plenty of other car audio companies you could compare eD too. Wal Mart? Uh... no. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
I can't believe people are trying to justify Ben Milne LYING TO US in this thread now. Ben has tried to steal (yes steal) the hard earned money of any of us he could, but heck its okay, companies like Wal Mart and the Chinese government get away with stuff every day. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

It's the other way around TB stole ED's original design, get your facts straight, But lets face the facts, no one here will ever give ED the time of day or benifit of the doubt, I have not noticed any bad business practices ofver the last 2 years and doubt I will.
That fact that ICIX says to call ED if you are having a problem is the proper thing to do as it is a COMPANY SPONSERED BOARD, so they can do whatever they want. Do you think the same does not happen on any moderated forum owned by a manufacturer, Do you think any manufacturer would let people come on their forum and complain for issues that could be fixed easily with a quick phone call or online support.

I did not want to get into this,

 

As for the sponsored board, it is one thing to tout your own product, it is another to run it regime style and instant ban anyone who questions bad business ethics or false claims or faulty products. And for false claims, there has been numerous industry people that have recognized TB's design. Honestly, with the track record of eD, why would a very good company of TB's nature want to "steal" a design?

 

Does not make sense to me. Also on the doing what every you want and doing what is best for the customer is two different things entirely.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

That's so not a fair comparison. You named immensely larger companies, obviously they will have complaints. Try comparing eD, and its practices, to a business more its size. Hell there are plenty of other car audio companies you could compare eD too. Wal Mart? Uh... no. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I can't believe people are trying to justify Ben Milne LYING TO US in this thread now. Ben has tried to steal (yes steal) the hard earned money of any of us he could, but heck its okay, companies like Wal Mart and the Chinese government get away with stuff every day. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I never justifed theft of any kind. I just said their are complaint about companies small, medium, and large.

I only spoke of my experiences with eD and they all have been equally positive transactions. I cannot speak for other such transaction as I am not omnipotent and do not know 100% of all the facts and details concerning such transactions. Posts on a message forum do not include all such facts, no matter who the poster is.

Was his practices bad in the past, yes. Can it change, possibly.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

Just ignore it.
If people think eD has complaints, check out companies like Wal-Mart, Target, Best-buy, etc where there are 1,000s of complaints about the same issues.

cool, i will, btw i was checking out your sig, nice shit dude. ballin'!!!!

 

[hempy 10+ year member]

Anyone ever have one of those dogs that just keep wagging their tails as you smack them in the face?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I never justifed theft of any kind. I just said their are complaint about companies small, medium, and large.
I only spoke of my experiences with eD and they all have been equally positive transactions. I cannot speak for other such transaction as I am not omnipotent and do not know 100% of all the facts and details concerning such transactions. Posts on a message forum do not include all such facts, no matter who the poster is.

Was his practices bad in the past, yes. Can it change, possibly.

There is no denying the fact eD lied about their deadener, in more than one way. There's no denying they didn't own up to it and change until a third party consumer had to do testing to prove the lies. This is all undisputed fact, The evidence is out there for you to find yourself, if you want.
The cone breakage thing, well there are pics proving that one floating around too. No, certainly dont just go by my word, find out for yourselves. But dont just buy into the notion eD ahs somehow earned a GOOD reputation. Quite the opposite. Will that ever change? Personally I doubt it, but who knows.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Even if the problems were only two years ago... what difference does it make? From where i stand it's Once a crook always a crook and you're no better than those you associate with.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

What are you talking about now? Rumble after school? lmao //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/*******.gif.a649d21efc0d1fd4890a6428166586c1.gif
That's so not a fair comparison. You named immensely larger companies, obviously they will have complaints. Try comparing eD, and its practices, to a business more its size. Hell there are plenty of other car audio companies you could compare eD too. Wal Mart? Uh... no. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I can't believe people are trying to justify Ben Milne LYING TO US in this thread now. Ben has tried to steal (yes steal) the hard earned money of any of us he could, but heck its okay, companies like Wal Mart and the Chinese government get away with stuff every day. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh:

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

I never justifed theft of any kind. I just said their are complaint about companies small, medium, and large.
I only spoke of my experiences with eD and they all have been equally positive transactions. I cannot speak for other such transaction as I am not omnipotent and do not know 100% of all the facts and details concerning such transactions. Posts on a message forum do not include all such facts, no matter who the poster is.

Was his practices bad in the past, yes. Can it change, possibly.

basically, if your neutral or for them, your attacked!!!!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

basically, if your neutral or for them, your attacked!!!!

There is a vast difference between being 'neutral' and telling people they are an up and coming company with a good reputation.

But go ahead, keep playing the victim as you tell people to use a company that has proven to rip customers off in the past... maybe somebody will believe your plight.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I think it is perfectly clear than I am neutral to them.

I am just trying to explain that in the world outside car audio (and it does exist) these things happen all the time. People here complain about theft, but in other industries, such as pharmaceuticals, people die because of these things. Do they rebound and produce good products or are they always bad, bad, bad?

In the case about Vioxx, Merck had strong knowledge that their medicine killed people. Did they admit it, no. Do a certain few still hate them, probably. But check your medicine cabinet to be sure you don't take of these products. Do you know that Merck is currently trying to redesign the product to make it safer?

If I place an order with eD and they don't deliver in what I feel is an apropriate amount of time, Amex will cancel the order for me. Is that theft, no because I can recoup my losses. Is it poor customer service, absolutley.

You have as much right to complain based on your experiences as I do to say that they are okay base on mine.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I think it is perfectly clear than I am neutral to them.
I am just trying to explain that in the world outside car audio (and it does exist) these things happen all the time. People here complain about theft, but in other industries, such as pharmaceuticals, people die because of these things. Do they rebound and produce good products or are they always bad, bad, bad?

In the case about Vioxx, Merck had strong knowledge that their medicine killed people. Did they admit it, no. Do a certain few still hate them, probably. But check your medicine cabinet to be sure you don't take of these products. Do you know that Merck is currently trying to redesign the product to make it safer?

If I place an order with eD and they don't deliver in what I feel is an apropriate amount of time, Amex will cancel the order for me. Is that theft, no because I can recoup my losses. Is it poor customer service, absolutley.

You have as much right to complain based on your experiences as I do to say that they are okay base on mine.

My neutral comment was not directed at you.
I dont believe Ive said you have no right to state your experience with eD. Im not trying to unfairly bias the discussion against eD, I think eD does enough to bias people against them on their own.

As Ive already stated, I have no issue with people (like you, I stated you by name) who purchase and have good experience with eD products. I wont (probably), that's my choice and you make yours. That's not the point here. The point is someone trying to tell people, some of which may not know otherwise, that eD has a good rep. A good rep from a couple guys in this thread does not surmount the overwhelming evidence and negative will against the company for previous, and continuing practices.

eD hasn't ripped you too guys off before, Im glad for you (no sarcasm). But, if you'd chosen to purchase their 'butyl rubber based' deadening mat a cpl years ago, Ben and eD would have GLADLY taken your money like chumps. If this doesn't bother you, simply because you have made good purchases with eD (their eu700's and nine.2 amps seem to be nice products), then well... that's your choice.

This arguement isn't about which choice is made, or the right to do so. Its about misinforming people. Stating eD has a good rep is misinforming them.. well those who have been under a rock the last couple years and didn't already know themselves. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I just find it hard, even for an eD fan, to say eD has a positive rep. You can say they are turning it around, make solid equip for the money no matter what the history was, etc etc... but to say they have a good solid reputation, well that's just not true. Again not speaking about you (but answering you), Im talking about rsx's comments/attitude.

Cheers.

 

[na_rsx 10+ year member]

My neutral comment was not directed at you.
I dont believe Ive said you have no right to state your experience with eD. Im not trying to unfairly bias the discussion against eD, I think eD does enough to bias people against them on their own.

As Ive already stated, I have no issue with people (like you, I stated you by name) who purchase and have good experience with eD products. I wont (probably), that's my choice and you make yours. That's not the point here. The point is someone trying to tell people, some of which may not know otherwise, that eD has a good rep. A good rep from a couple guys in this thread does not surmount the overwhelming evidence and negative will against the company for previous, and continuing practices.

eD hasn't ripped you too guys off before, Im glad for you (no sarcasm). But, if you'd chosen to purchase their 'butyl rubber based' deadening mat a cpl years ago, Ben and eD would have GLADLY taken your money like chumps. If this doesn't bother you, simply because you have made good purchases with eD (their eu700's and nine.2 amps seem to be nice products), then well... that's your choice.

This arguement isn't about which choice is made, or the right to do so. Its about misinforming people. Stating eD has a good rep is misinforming them.. well those who have been under a rock the last couple years and didn't already know themselves. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I just find it hard, even for an eD fan, to say eD has a positive rep. You can say they are turning it around, make solid equip for the money no matter what the history was, etc etc... but to say they have a good solid reputation, well that's just not true. Again not speaking about you (but answering you), Im talking about rsx's comments/attitude.

Cheers.

See, this is something i can respect. Like i said, in general (TCAB and ED) whatever happened in the past is the past to me. I wasnt around for that whole drama, so i cant say they had a good rep since they opened. I was clearly stating that as of right now, i like them. Thats it, disregarding the past. And with TCAB, in one of my previous post i clearly stated "that was messed up what he did".

So i am not here to promote ED, and telling everyone ED is the best. I would so choose a RE XXX over the 13Av.2, but for the money, i would go with ED. You have to admit, my attitude at first was neutral, i wasnt calling anyone names and "starting" sh1t. but then people had smart (***) things to say, so i went with it.

But for the record, i respect everyone to a certain degree, if you dont agree with me hey thats fine. We are all different, but when i start to get flamed for my honest opinion, then yeah, FLAME ON!!!!!! - Human Torch

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

My neutral comment was not directed at you.
I dont believe Ive said you have no right to state your experience with eD. Im not trying to unfairly bias the discussion against eD, I think eD does enough to bias people against them on their own.

As Ive already stated, I have no issue with people (like you, I stated you by name) who purchase and have good experience with eD products. I wont (probably), that's my choice and you make yours. That's not the point here. The point is someone trying to tell people, some of which may not know otherwise, that eD has a good rep. A good rep from a couple guys in this thread does not surmount the overwhelming evidence and negative will against the company for previous, and continuing practices.

eD hasn't ripped you too guys off before, Im glad for you (no sarcasm). But, if you'd chosen to purchase their 'butyl rubber based' deadening mat a cpl years ago, Ben and eD would have GLADLY taken your money like chumps. If this doesn't bother you, simply because you have made good purchases with eD (their eu700's and nine.2 amps seem to be nice products), then well... that's your choice.

This arguement isn't about which choice is made, or the right to do so. Its about misinforming people. Stating eD has a good rep is misinforming them.. well those who have been under a rock the last couple years and didn't already know themselves. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I just find it hard, even for an eD fan, to say eD has a positive rep. You can say they are turning it around, make solid equip for the money no matter what the history was, etc etc... but to say they have a good solid reputation, well that's just not true. Again not speaking about you (but answering you), Im talking about rsx's comments/attitude.

Cheers.

Agreed....but how far does one's reputation follow a particular firm? If eD is turning things around (and I really don't know if they are or not), how long does it take for them to re-establish a positive reputation? For instance, some firms get over their heads in the beginning and things look bad and they misjudge a lot of items, but if they remain solvent and work through them, perhaps they can produce good, quality products.

How long does it take for you to trust them and what incentives or signals could they provide to indicate a change?

This isn't about eD, but more about customer sentiment.