Do I need more amp or a higher preout voltage?

idk, but when i put my 12" HC in like 1 cube, ran about 750 to it, it just sounded like my Oz's were now playing all the way down

but ported, my HC shakes my whole car pretty dam good

grampi, how much is the sub moving when you have the vol up loud, peak to peak, like .25"'s or over an inch

cant remember what their xmax is tho, think its like 16mm or somethin

 
Just spitballing here, but would I stand to gain anything by going to two more efficient 12" subs in a sealed enclosure running off of the same 300 watts? I had a pair of MTX Eliminator 15" subs one time (I know I'm dating myself) mounted free air behind the rear seat of an old Chevy Nova that just hammered off of 300 watts. Maybe doubling my woofer area and getting more efficient subs would get me what I'm looking for and still be able to stay with a sealed enclosure. I really don't like the sound of ported boxes and if I can avoid going that route I will.

 
I just looked up the specs on my e12k sub, it lists two different ones and I don't know which mine is but one has an spl rating of 86db, and the other 88db. Maybe if I could find another 12 with a rating of low to md 90's, that might make a considerable difference by using two of them as opposed to using just the one inefficient sub I have now.

 
There are subs out there that will do great off 300W even for the pair. The JL W1v2 series come to mind. Sound good. Very efficient. Work well sealed.

The problem that you will run into is Hoffman's Iron Law. There are 3 aspects of a sub, efficiency, LFE and small box size. You get to have two at the cost of the 3rd. Want good efficiency and a good bottom end, the box is going to be really big. Want good efficiency in a smaller box, the bottom end is going to suffer. Now it doesn't have to be a total trade, you can compromise and get good results.

Back when I was first getting into car audio, the standard tradeoff was get efficiency and mix and match the other two. This was because power was so expensive and big amps were really hard to come by and even harder to support electrically. Some of the tricks used were to go with an efficient setup in a smallish box and let the cabin gain give you some free bass on the bottom end. That was the most common way to go in fact. The other common setup was a nice free-air setup as you were talking about. Really big box, but totally non-intrusive. The result was a really efficient sub system with an almost limitless bottom end and no real lost space.

Nowadays, power is cheap. Efficiency is almost sworn off in all but the high end audiophile type drivers. The typical consumer doesn't care about efficiency anyway because he only cares about what the thinks he knows. Ask someone not really up on car audio about their subs and usually they know brand and how many watts. That's it. They automatically think that more is better in the watts department. Most of them only want to get as loud as possible and it breeds the standard crap that you see day in and out on here regarding "you NEED to run the RMS rated power to a sub for it to perform," "you NEED at least 1kW on the sub stage for it to sound good," etc... Fact is that neither of those resemble the truth. Regardless of the rated power of the sub it will sound just as good with a fraction of the power and get more than loud enough for most sane people.

I might have missed it before, but what have you done to couple the trunk to the cabin? Which way is the sub currently facing in the trunk? Have you measured the voltage coming off the HU? I had a similar situation to you with a trio of 10W6s. Amp was working fine, in fact the clipping light was flickering, but no output to speak of. Scratched my head for close to an hour, rechecked all my settings on the amp and HU 3 or 4 times before I realized that I had in fact wired all the coils on the subs out of phase. It's easy to screw up and do on accident. Also possible that one coil is mislabeled, or did we already cover that...all these threads run together after awhile.

I just saw your last post: don't put much of any stock in sub efficiency ratings. They are theoretical calculated values at 1kHz. Subs with lower ratings usually get lower and do a better job on the sub-bass.

 
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My sub is sitting right behind my rear seats facing forward. There is a big opening there as the seat backs fold forward. No I haven't measured the voltage coming off the HU. My current sub is a DVC with 2 ohm coils, and they are wired correctly (wired in series). I pulled the terminal cup off the back of the enclosure and double checked the wiring. I'm asking about going with two more efficient 12's rather than going with another amp for a couple of reasons; 1) if I add another amp for the comps and bridge the Kicker I have now, I would probably also have to upgrade my alternator as I highly doubt my stock alternator will support 800-900 watts of system power. Also, there would be more wiring and mounting headaches to support an additional amp. It would be much easier and probably less expensive if I could simply replace my current sub with a pair of more efficient ones, IF that will achieve what I'm looking for. Which other subs besides the JLs (not that I won't consider JL subs, I love their stuff) would work well on 300 watts?

 
There are subs out there that will do great off 300W even for the pair. The JL W1v2 series come to mind. Sound good. Very efficient. Work well sealed.
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i beg to differ, My friend has 2 12w1v2 and they sound like complete garbage, a real annoying sound of bass.

 
Sealed boxes arent where subs show how effecient they can be. It's QUITE the opposite. For example, I had 2 CVR 15s, '02 models, in a sealed box, bridged to my 250 HCCA, and they banged like CRAZY, in the manufacturer's spec box. Now, those same 2 subs were put in a ported box, on a smaller amp, and it was definately louder. Wasnt as sharp, or punchy of a bass, but was definately louder. And this was on a smaller amp.

My point being....IN A SEALED BOX....MORE POWER THAN CALLED FOR ISNT A BAD IDEA

I've learned thru experience, too much power is better than too little. Too much you can easily control, too little you cant get enough to control. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think more power to that sub might help.

Make sure your wiring is correct also. I wired 1 coil out of phase and saw 3 subs playing very weak, no matter how much I turned everything up. Just a thought.

I pulled the terminal cup off the back of the enclosure and double checked the wiring.
Pull the sub. You might have it crossed at the sub. I think its something simple thats wrong.

 
OK, I've got something wrong going on here. I just drove down to Taco Bell and back and my fuse in my amp's main power line coming off the battery popped for the second time. The first time it popped I didn't think much of it because the fuse was 5 years old and a bit underrated (this amp calls for an 80 amp fuse and it was a 60). I couldn't find any 80 amp fuses at Radio Shack so I got the biggest ones they had which were 60. Now it popped another one. I shouldn't be pulling anywhere near 60 amps at the levels I'm listening at. I don't know what could be causing these fuses to blow, but I wonder if it has something to do with my low sub output?

 
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