Did this poor install lead to my speakers blowing??

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

You should have went to them and complained about the install before you upped the gain. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif As soon as you blew them you made it super easy for them to say it's your fault. If they didn't touch any of the settings I doubt they would ever claim responsibility for blown equipment considering most Joe Schmoes view the gain knob as a volume knob. Who knows if you had went to them first they may have upped the gain and then you would definitely be able to hold them liable.

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

No, I approved of his post. I thought it was helpful. Have you seen some of the other stuff he poasts?
Anyway, yeah... The second you decided to to start fiddling with settings. Got yourself into this mess. Diddn't ya?

I "fiddle" with all my settings. I'm the only one who has ever "fiddled" with my settings. I know every setting in my fully active 8-channel 1,800w RMS system. The problem is when a flimsy Dynamat wall in a too small practically sealed enclosure oscillates in/out of phase with the woofer installed in such a travesty of an enclosure all sorts of unpredictable, non-linear, and otherwise bad things happen. But who on earth would do this? I did not know my speakers were installed like this until they were removed. The ONLY adjustment possible is phase/time alignment/EQing and GAIN. I have adjusted each ad infinium to no avail. Speaker finally blew, but the cause was this crappy install!

 

[whitedragon551 5,000+ posts]

There were no "shop's settings". No shop has ever made any settings to my car stereo system (amps, DSP, headunit).

Even if they didnt tune anything. You left the shop and there were settings. The second you touched them it became your fault even if they were defaults.

 

[whitedragon551 5,000+ posts]

I "fiddle" with all my settings. I'm the only one who has ever "fiddled" with my settings. I know every setting in my fully active 8-channel 1,800w RMS system. The problem is when a flimsy Dynamat wall in a too small practically sealed enclosure oscillates in/out of phase with the woofer installed in such a travesty of an enclosure all sorts of unpredictable, non-linear, and otherwise bad things happen. But who on earth would do this? I did not know my speakers were installed like this until they were removed. The ONLY adjustment possible is phase/time alignment/EQing and GAIN. I have adjusted each ad infinium to no avail. Speaker finally blew, but the cause was this crappy install!

So then you admit to blowing them by admitting guilt that you did mess with the settings. That is the shops point. If they worked when they left, you messed with settings, and now they do not work. That is your fault regardless of install. This is why you should have contacted them if you were not happy with the install.

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

You should have went to them and complained about the install before you upped the gain. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif As soon as you blew them you made it super easy for them to say it's your fault. If they didn't touch any of the settings I doubt they would ever claim responsibility for blown equipment considering most Joe Schmoes view the gain knob as a volume knob. Who knows if you had went to them first they may have upped the gain and then you would definitely be able to hold them liable.

Probably right. My car was at the shop for a week straight (delayed multiple days) and I didn't really feel like dealing with Nate the salesman and Mejeho the installer who seemed more interested in taking vacation for his newborn. Once again that's Automotive Concepts in Minneapolis. About

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

So then you admit to blowing them by admitting guilt that you did mess with the settings. That is the shops point. If they worked when they left, you messed with settings, and now they do not work. That is your fault regardless of install. This is why you should have contacted them if you were not happy with the install.

I feel we're arguing a chicken and the eggs scenario here.

The crappy (yet supposedly custom awesome expensive expert correct) install caused extremely low performance from the speaker, which could only possibly be fixed with tuning (if the install is correct as paid for) and when tuning reached the end of it's possible spectrum the speaker blew. The speaker would NEVER play correctly no matter if GOD tuned the system, because the install was fatally flawed.

 

[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

We can say that again.

You can say it all you want.

But my speakers aren't blown.

 

[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

If it's such a crappy install, which based on the pics doesn't look anywhere near some of the things I've seen in the past, then why'd you have them install to begin with?

Hence why I do all my customization, installation, sub box building, etc. To prevent headaches like so later on down the road.

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

You can say it all you want.
But my speakers aren't blown.

Well you should have built your speaker enclosures with at least 1 side made of Dynamat or some other completely non-rigid material. Then we can see how your best/better/whatever speakers perform.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

I'm waiting for this to become a JL audio hate thread.

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

Even if they didnt tune anything. You left the shop and there were settings. The second you touched them it became your fault even if they were defaults.

This seems pretty severe. Do you write warranties for a living?

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

If it's such a crappy install, which based on the pics doesn't look anywhere near some of the things I've seen in the past, then why'd you have them install to begin with?
Hence why I do all my customization, installation, sub box building, etc. To prevent headaches like so later on down the road.

Really? Of course the shop had great looking example installs and has a good reputation around here. It literally is a huge facility with probably 20 bays of installs going on at the same time, a dedicated 5 person sales team in the showroom, etc.

I'm happy with how the exterior of the install looks. My A-pillar pods are great. But I had no idea they FUBARed the interior of the door panels so much. Why would/should I? They are the supposed experts... but once again it seems experts are a very very very rare commodity.

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[wew lad 5,000+ posts]

then you should of taken that up with the experts and argued with them instead of complaining to people on the forum who gave you the answer to why your speakers blew.

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

then you should of taken that up with the experts and argued with them instead of complaining to people on the forum who gave you the answer to why your speakers blew.

Would the speakers have blown if the install wasn't botched? No, because there would be no need to take them to the extreme of (useless) tuning. The tuning was useless because no amount of tuning could make then sound good/loud (I know because I tried every possibility). As others have said, the ZR-800's would have "shaken the door apart" and I would naturally would have throttled back, but they were never even remotely close to that level of power/performance.

 

[Ijcobra 10+ year member]

then you should of taken that up with the experts and argued with them instead of complaining to people on the forum who gave you the answer to why your speakers blew.

Why do I, a non-professional car audio installer, have to take an expert's product to them to tell them it is bad? Maybe all the people who say "JL Audio is crap" are right? Maybe 8" speakers aren't much better than 6.5"? How am I supposed to know, I'm not the "expert"? What is wrong with this world when I'm arguing about an expert's craft with an "expert"? I suppose that makes them NOT AN EXPERT, or it makes me a GENIUS!