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[Old_Slapper]

You're joking, yes?
You think that it was only in Democrat states that racism was openly practiced?

Segregation states, prior to Jim Crow.

Alabama-Democrat
Arkansas -Democrat
Delaware-Republican
Florida-Republican
Georgia-Democrat
Kentucky-split
Louisiana-Democrat
Maryland-Republican
Mississippi-Democrat
Missouri-Republican
North Carolina-Democrat
Oklahoma-Republican
South Carolina-Democrat
Tennessee-Republican
Texas-Democrat
Virginia-Republican
West Virginia-Democrat

What kind of delusion makes someone think that racism only occurred in Democrat states?

What you need to look up is what slave state was a Republican state before the Civil War. The states didn't start becoming Republican states until after the democrats started threatening a Civil War. It is true that not all dems were pro-slavery, but it's also a fact that only the dems were pro-slavery. THAT you can't argue about. Of course, you will find some way to argue it or you will just ignore it.

Here's a little homework assignment for you.
Google these questions:

• Why was the Republican Party formed - (To abolish slavery)
• When was the republican party formed - (1854 to abolish slavery)
• Were there any pro-slavery Republicans - (No. Being a Republican meant you were against slavery)
• What political party started the Civil War - (Southern Democrats)

This was all taught in History class before the school system started to have it all removed.

 

[Old_Slapper]

You brought up how we need to get back to the traditional American values. Racism was a big part of those values.

Now you are jumping to what happens in other countries as far as slavery is concerned. What does that have to do with the ''traditional American values" you mentioned?

Please provide proof that racism was a traditional American value.

Racism was democrat thing. Remember, the Republican party's sole purpose was to abolish slavery.

Racism will never go away. Especially when idiots keep using racism as an argument. Heck, I get dems calling me a racist all the time because I voted for Trump. NEWS flash... I'm part Asian and African. Every country has some sort of racism.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

What you need to look up is what slave state was a Republican state before the Civil War. The states didn't start becoming Republican states until after the democrats started threatening a Civil War. It is true that not all dems were pro-slavery, but it's also a fact that only the dems were pro-slavery. THAT you can't argue about. Of course, you will find some way to argue it or you will just ignore it.

Here's a little homework assignment for you.
Google these questions:

• Why was the Republican Party formed - (To abolish slavery)
• When was the republican party formed - (1854 to abolish slavery)
• Were there any pro-slavery Republicans - (No. Being a Republican meant you were against slavery)
• What political party started the Civil War - (Southern Democrats)

This was all taught in History class before the school system started to have it all removed.

This really has nothing to do with segregation or slavery. Roberto felt some insane need to try and tie segregation to traditional values when THX brought up traditional values. It's just a common tactic of the left - derail the conversation. Why acknowledge America could use a good dose of traditional values when you can blame 'merica for slavery & segregation instead?

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

Maybe Rob can help make sense of this. Maybe because it’s a company from Texas?

 

[Old_Slapper]

This really has nothing to do with segregation or slavery. Roberto felt some insane need to try and tie segregation to traditional values when THX brought up traditional values. It's just a common tactic of the left - derail the conversation. Why acknowledge America could use a good dose of traditional values when you can blame 'merica for slavery & segregation instead?

Gotcha!
It just irritates the crap out of me when I see some ignorant people say the Republican party is pro-slavery when the Republican party was literally formed to abolish slavery.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Maybe Rob can help make sense of this. Maybe because it’s a company from Texas?

At least that ice cream is only half as racist as full vanilla.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Gotcha!
It just irritates the crap out of me when I see some ignorant people say the Republican party is pro-slavery when the Republican party was literally formed to abolish slavery.

Just remember these are the same idiots that claim Trump is Hitler.v2, think rent control will work, want gov't owned grocery stores, believe Trump is a fascist dictator while being allowed to protest said dictator, etc, etc, etc. Facts and context don't matter to these people. All that matters to them is propping up their delusions.

 

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

You don't have to have prior knowledge to be an ******* after the fact. She made a choice, and SOMEONE REACTED TO THAT CHOICE. Which is how most reactions work.

So, someone reacted to MTG turning on Trump.
Who would the most likely culprit be? A radicalized liberal, or a radicalized conservative?

When Shania spoke out against Trump, who did Trump attack: Kid Rock, or Shania?

Occam's Razor

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You think racism was a value? Why did you choose to go all the way back to slavery and racism? None of us were alive to practice any of those "values" as you call them. Maybe we bring that time line up a bit... How about we talk about Hanks song "Family Tradition". His family tradition is nothing more than getting high and having a good time. Maybe those values are too harsh as well?

It certainly was a value in the past.
value - a person's principles or standards of behavior; one's judgment of what is important in life

People behaved with racism as a standard of behavior. People considered racism to be important in life.
And we're not talking just individuals. It was a societal norm. No denying that.

How about getting married, respecting those vows.

Some people do it, some don't. Not my concern, unless they are hypocrites and demand others respect the vow while they are out banging their wife's brother or sister.

Raising your kids to respect other people.

Everyone should do this. But the right doesn't even want kids to respect themselves. Why would they respect someone else?

Working for the things you need in life like food, clothes and shelter. Not depending on others to hold your hand through life. Not being a drain on society. How about those values? Pretty straight forward and traditional to me. Maybe those are the values he was talking about.

Maybe he was, but the numbers would show he might be focused on the wrong things.
As a percentage of population, the people who you describe as a "drain on society" has only gone up about 2% in the past 45 years.
Not terrible, considering the shift of wealth in the US in that same 45 year span. In 1980, the top 5% controlled 20% of the nation's wealth. Today, the top 5% control 35%.

In other words, the poor are getting poorer. And the wealthy make sure of that.
They create the "drains on society" that they love to hate.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I'm not sure what kind of delusion make someone think that racism only occurred in Dem states. I'm not sure why you would direct that question at me. You even quoted me and clearly that statement doesn't suggest "racism only occurred in Dem states." You should direct your question to whoever it was that posted "racism only occurred in Dem states." The list you provided it proves exactly my point, so thanks for that.

Must be the delusion where I read your post. The one in which you said that the segregation was seen "most" in Democrat-controlled southern states.

The word "most" is important. By using it, you state that the segregation was negligible in the Republican states.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

In other words, the poor are getting poorer. And the wealthy make sure of that.

If the politicians didn't take what amounts to bribes for looking out for the top end...

And it's not just the Republicans but your pure in heart democrats...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Everyone tried to end racism while the neomarxists are trying to use identity politics to keep racism alive and well.

Rob, you're ignorant or speak as if you are. Racism and slavery has been a part of every culture ever dude. Racism and slavery are still fundamental methods of operation in many nations, where racial or ethnic or religious genocides happen, enslavement. That's not happening in the US, as we ended slavery (outside of debt slavery to the bankers).

Pay attention. I'm not talking about outside of the US, just as YOU aren't talking about outside the US when you state you wants those old US values back.

Yes, we ended slavery. But it was one of those not-so-old US values. There were plenty more that were crappy.
You want the "old days" back?

You're complaining about the US who is literally at the forefront of human rights and has been for a long time, so I think you sound really silly and ignorant. I don't think you actually comprehend world history in context.

You are the one pining for the return of the old ways and the old days. I have no interest in "those good old days". They were a lot dirtier than the dreamers seem to realize.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What you need to look up is what slave state was a Republican state before the Civil War. The states didn't start becoming Republican states until after the democrats started threatening a Civil War. It is true that not all dems were pro-slavery, but it's also a fact that only the dems were pro-slavery. THAT you can't argue about. Of course, you will find some way to argue it or you will just ignore it.

Here's a little homework assignment for you.
Google these questions:

• Why was the Republican Party formed - (To abolish slavery)
• When was the republican party formed - (1854 to abolish slavery)
• Were there any pro-slavery Republicans - (No. Being a Republican meant you were against slavery)
• What political party started the Civil War - (Southern Democrats)

This was all taught in History class before the school system started to have it all removed.

OK. So then you are saying that the Democrat states on that list were actually Republican, pre-flip.
The Democrat states slightly outnumber the Republican states (as named) on that list.

So, there were actually more Republican states (using the name Democrat at the time) on the list who were mandating segregation.

You toasted Jimi's argument that the Dems were the "bad guys". It was actually more Republican states that were racist.

Which "the school system" is removing History class? I couldn't have been less interested in History class in grade-school/High School. None of my teachers did a damn thing to make it interesting, or something I WANTED to even grasp.

Please provide proof that racism was a traditional American value.

I already did. See the list of states that were mandated-segregation.
See the definition of "values" that I posted.

Racism was democrat thing. Remember, the Republican party's sole purpose was to abolish slavery.

But you said the Republicans of yore are the Democrats of now.
Regardless, we're talking about the 1950's, not 100 years prior.

Racism will never go away. Especially when idiots keep using racism as an argument. Heck, I get dems calling me a racist all the time because I voted for Trump. NEWS flash... I'm part Asian and African. Every country has some sort of racism.

To use racism as an argument, then it must exist.