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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Such a presidential fellow.
Maybe they should start addressing him as "fat ****** felon".

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

pre-flip

The flip is a myth easily debunked

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So, someone reacted to MTG turning on Trump.
Who would the most likely culprit be? A radicalized liberal, or a radicalized conservative?

When Shania spoke out against Trump, who did Trump attack: Kid Rock, or Shania?

Occam's Razor

How about just the left in general. What does Trump care if someone hates him. The whole playbook of the left is getting people to hate Trump. Now they want to make it look like Trump supporters are violent when anyone with a pulse these last 10 years knows liberals are the violent ones.

I don't know about Akims Raisins... how about just common sense.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Must be the delusion where I read your post. The one in which you said that the segregation was seen "most" in Democrat-controlled southern states.

The word "most" is important. By using it, you state that the segregation was negligible in the Republican states.

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You came up with this all on your own. Most doesn't mean the other category is negligible and certainly doesn't mean segregation occured exclusively in Dem controlled states. But nice try.

Might I suggest rather than applying your strawman arguments to real people instead you just create another account. You can call him Always Wrong Paul and reply for him and he can embrace your strawman arguments as his own and you can obliterate him time and time gain.

The problem with distorting language, words, etc into some idiotic and indefensible position is real people will point out that we've never taken that position.

If you had this alternate Always Wrong Paul persona to argue with, you could be obliterating him right now by attaching not only segregation to traditional values, but you could bundle in slavery, organized crime, anti-gay legislation, land grabs, genocide, racism, etc to traditional values. How awsome would that be?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

It certainly was a value in the past.
value - a person's principles or standards of behavior; one's judgment of what is important in life

Well current for the left. Biden did say "poor kids are just as smart as white kids." J.R.Biden

People behaved with racism as a standard of behavior. People considered racism to be important in life.
And we're not talking just individuals. It was a societal norm. No denying that.

Do I detect a hint of pride in your font?

Some people do it, some don't. Not my concern, unless they are hypocrites and demand others respect the vow while they are out banging their wife's brother or sister.

Everyone should do this. But the right doesn't even want kids to respect themselves. Why would they respect someone else?

How are you constantly speaking for the right?

Maybe he was, but the numbers would show he might be focused on the wrong things.
As a percentage of population, the people who you describe as a "drain on society" has only gone up about 2% in the past 45 years.
Not terrible, considering the shift of wealth in the US in that same 45 year span. In 1980, the top 5% controlled 20% of the nation's wealth. Today, the top 5% control 35%.

The drain I speak of are lifers capable of working and illegals.

In other words, the poor are getting poorer. And the wealthy make sure of that.
They create the "drains on society" that they love to hate.

So you are now against the wealthy but brag that you are not wanting.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

How about just the left in general. What does Trump care if someone hates him. The whole playbook of the left is getting people to hate Trump. Now they want to make it look like Trump supporters are violent when anyone with a pulse these last 10 years knows liberals are the violent ones.

So we're back to the conspiracy theory that the left was waiting for MTG to flip, so they could make the right look bad by threatening her.

Why wait? Why not just threaten every single Democrat politician, all the time? Wouldn't THAT paint the right in a really bad light

I don't know about Akims Raisins... how about just common sense.

Yes. Common sense.

The thing that would tell you the simplest answer is probably the correct one.
Instead of creating a weird conspiratorial fantasy to make it seem like the liberals threatened MTG, just use common sense and look at her new "enemies" first.

Trump is her newest "enemy". Common sense would say he is not sending her threats, so we dismiss him.
Who could possibly be the next likely culprit?
Common sense would say a Trump supporter.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So we're back to the conspiracy theory that the left was waiting for MTG to flip, so they could make the right look bad by threatening her.

Why wait? Why not just threaten every single Democrat politician, all the time? Wouldn't THAT paint the right in a really bad light

Apparently YOU are back to that. I am assuming you are only seeing it as the right is attacking her so any ideas or theories you are automatically making fit your narrative. The left could 100% be at fault here and are using her to make Trump supporters look bad and with no protection from the right, it's fair game. Yours is just a theory as well.

Yes. Common sense.

The thing that would tell you the simplest answer is probably the correct one.

That doesn't apply to everything.

Instead of creating a weird conspiratorial fantasy to make it seem like the liberals threatened MTG, just use common sense and look at her new "enemies" first.

Common sense is the left want to and continue to make the right look bad. Any way they can.

Trump is her newest "enemy". Common sense would say he is not sending her threats, so we dismiss him.
Who could possibly be the next likely culprit?
Common sense would say a Trump supporter.

That is what you see because it is what you want to see.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You think racism was a value? Why did you choose to go all the way back to slavery and racism? None of us were alive to practice any of those "values" as you call them. Maybe we bring that time line up a bit... How about we talk about Hanks song "Family Tradition". His family tradition is nothing more than getting high and having a good time. Maybe those values are too harsh as well?

How about getting married, respecting those vows. Raising your kids to respect other people. Working for the things you need in life like food, clothes and shelter. Not depending on others to hold your hand through life. Not being a drain on society. How about those values? Pretty straight forward and traditional to me. Maybe those are the values he was talking about.

And this just demonstrates the ridiculousness that is Always Right Rob. He's going to insist (probably for multiple pages) that racism is indeed a traditional value despite everybody else knowing what "traditional values" means.

Of course the basis of his argument is flawed since there also existed people who had traditions of assimilation, desegregation, integration, etc. So following Rob's logic any all values that previously existed would be "traditional values". Furthermore, this means traditional values could/would often be at odds with one another.

Basically, this is just a variation of what I will refer to a Rob's "Literally Fallacy", where he attempts to apply literal definitions to a more nuanced concept. In this case, it's "selective literally", since he could have just as easily said Ameica has a tradition of fighting for civil rights, equality, etc. He purposely choose a different route.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Just remember these are the same idiots that claim Trump is Hitler.v2, think rent control will work, want gov't owned grocery stores, believe Trump is a fascist dictator while being allowed to protest said dictator, etc, etc, etc. Facts and context don't matter to these people. All that matters to them is propping up their delusions.

You ARE aware of Trump's push for the gov't to have equity stakes in private businesses, yes?
Did you not hear about him wanting 10% of Intel, wanting to create a sovereign wealth fund for getting control of companies like Tik Tok?
Does the name Nvidia ring any bells?
That's your president.

Can you tell me where in the Democrat platform they are pushing for gov't-owned grocery stores?
Go back as far as Biden's first bid, if you need to.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

And this just demonstrates the ridiculousness that is Always Right Rob. He's going to insist (probably for multiple pages) that racism is indeed a traditional value despite everybody else knowing what "traditional values" means.

Of course the basis of his argument is flawed since there also existed people who had traditions of assimilation, desegregation, integration, etc. So following Rob's logic any all values that previously existed would be "traditional values". Furthermore, this means traditional values could/would often be at odds with one another.

Basically, this is just a variation of what I will refer to a Rob's "Literally Fallacy", where he attempts to apply literal definitions to a more nuanced concept. In this case, it's "selective literally", since he could have just as easily said Ameica has a tradition of fighting for civil rights, equality, etc. He purposely choose a different route.

Traditional Values - (AP US Government)Fiveable
https://fiveable.me › All Key Terms › AP US Government
Traditional values refer to the beliefs, morals, and principles that have been passed down through generations within a society

Racism fits right in there.
If you want to argue that racism was not a traditional value in the US, then you are kidding yourself.
If it was not held as a traditional value for so long, we would not have had segregation as recently as the late 1960s, FFS. The people who were not racist would have far outnumbered the racists, and stomped that shit out right quick.

Instead, we had a fekking civil war over slavery. A CIVIL WAR.
And a hundred years later, the country was still fighting over segregation.

Tell me that's false history. I'll wait.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You ARE aware of Trump's push for the gov't to have equity stakes in private businesses, yes?
Did you not hear about him wanting 10% of Intel, wanting to create a sovereign wealth fund for getting control of companies like Tik Tok?
Does the name Nvidia ring any bells?
That's your president.

Can you tell me where in the Democrat platform they are pushing for gov't-owned grocery stores?
Go back as far as Biden's first bid, if you need to.

You're an idiot. I support the concept of a sovereign wealth fund. I never said anything about political parties in my post. Two libtards, in extremely large cities, ran on gov't owned grocery stores and won. It's been all over the news.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Apparently YOU are back to that. I am assuming you are only seeing it as the right is attacking her so any ideas or theories you are automatically making fit your narrative. The left could 100% be at fault here and are using her to make Trump supporters look bad and with no protection from the right, it's fair game. Yours is just a theory as well.

I guess you already forgot that you claimed to understand "common sense".

That doesn't apply to everything.

It applies to a vast swath of life.
Feel free to give an example where it makes no sense to look at the simplest solution first.

Common sense is the left want to and continue to make the right look bad. Any way they can.

Common sense says if that is their goal, they wouldn't lie in wait, hoping someone will flip on Trump, like MTG did.
Common sense says they create as many false flags as possible.

Again, your own argument is self-defeating.

That is what you see because it is what you want to see.

No, it's the application of common sense.
You brought it up b/c you don't understand Occam's Razor.

Now you think common sense SHOULDN'T apply, when it works against your conspiracy theory?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You ARE aware of Trump's push for the gov't to have equity stakes in private businesses, yes?
Did you not hear about him wanting 10% of Intel, wanting to create a sovereign wealth fund for getting control of companies like Tik Tok?
Does the name Nvidia ring any bells?
That's your president.

Can you tell me where in the Democrat platform they are pushing for gov't-owned grocery stores?
Go back as far as Biden's first bid, if you need to.

You're an idiot. I support the concept of a sovereign wealth fund. I never said anything about political parties in my post. Two libtards, in extremely large cities, ran on gov't owned grocery stores and won. It's been all over the news

Traditional Values - (AP US Government)Fiveable
https://fiveable.me › All Key Terms › AP US Government
Traditional values refer to the beliefs, morals, and principles that have been passed down through generations within a society

Racism fits right in there.
If you want to argue that racism was not a traditional value in the US, then you are kidding yourself.
If it was not held as a traditional value for so long, we would not have had segregation as recently as the late 1960s, FFS. The people who were not racist would have far outnumbered the racists, and stomped that shit out right quick.

Instead, we had a fekking civil war over slavery. A CIVIL WAR.
And a hundred years later, the country was still fighting over segregation.

Tell me that's false history. I'll wait.

Even when THX clarified it for you, you still want to insist racism fits into the basket.

Ironically, you just demonstrated that there is also a tradition of freeing slaves, fighting to end slavery, fighting for equality, integration, etc. But for some reason you selected racism out of all the possible values you could have selected.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You came up with this all on your own. Most doesn't mean the other category is negligible and certainly doesn't mean segregation occured exclusively in Dem controlled states. But nice try.

I came up with your post, all on my own?
Lemme guess: AI? Or was it Photoshop?

Might I suggest rather than applying your strawman arguments to real people instead you just create another account. You can call him Always Wrong Paul and reply for him and he can embrace your strawman arguments as his own and you can obliterate him time and time gain.

The problem with distorting language, words, etc into some idiotic and indefensible position is real people will point out that we've never taken that position.

most - greatest in amount, quantity, or degree.

If it wasn't the word you wanted to use, you shouldn't have used it.

If you had this alternate Always Wrong Paul persona to argue with, you could be obliterating him right now by attaching not only segregation to traditional values, but you could bundle in slavery, organized crime, anti-gay legislation, land grabs, genocide, racism, etc to traditional values. How awsome would that be?

If segregation and the underlying racism were not the values of the majority of Americans, then the Civil War all the way to the fight for civil rights would not have happened.

Tell me I'm wrong.
Tell me that all of America was against racism, but we somehow had racist laws on the books until the 1960s.
Mass hypnosis, perhaps?