Controversial thread, unintentional Racism.

[wgaede 10+ year member]

aFermAtiV bLaKchuN.

i'm racist //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

Policies like this reflect the attitude one would use to coddle a child, not see an equal.

Think about it.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

thats why you're on the right and im on the left //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

Being 'on the left' is synonymous with feeling that income level somehow has something to do with intelligence levels?

Low income, Shmoe income. If you fail, you fail. Period. This perspective has absolutely nothing to do with ignorance or failing to be informed. If you are incapable of passing a basic skills test why in the world should you be given special compensation to attempt to correct you lack of basic understanding of minimal concepts that is most likely the result of nothing more than a failure to apply one's self while in school and not so much a lower standard of education?

If you are inable to correctly finish 2 + 2 and come up with 4 then go back to school until you can.

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

All who failed should be shot.

That is all.

 

[bumpin_blazer 5,000+ posts]

Another part I just thought of, why should this be different then any skills test for ANY job? Say 60% of white people can't read/write spanish for a certain position and they get passed up and 60% of the job field hired is hispanic and can speak/write spanish. Should white people be given free money for not being billingual(however you spell that)? If something like this happened the opposite way like general admission for education at public universities, there'd be hell to pay. IMO this is just lazyness, ignorance and people in a high enough position to make the decision, perpetuating the cycle that is wrong with the way a lot of people think.

 

[HotCarl 10+ year member]

we will never be equal [/story]
as long as blacks have a BET, Ebony Magazine, their own award shows, keep calling one another ******s...we will not be equal...

truth.

 

[AllStar1500bd 5,000+ posts]

*waits for Devillian to come in here and call you all racist*

 

[Safe-N-Sound215 10+ year member]

The test is NOT different for any race. They are expected to know the same material as any other race that wants to be a cop...wheres the racism? Don't even blame it on the education. They can go to a **** library and check out a book. It doesnt take the IQ of Einstein to know how to do simle arithmatic. The only thing they suffer from is lack of motivation because they feel they're being oppressed at every opportunity. Get over your god **** conspiracy thinking and try to better yourself like every other hard working american. The white man is not behind you with a whip anymore...Not to mention police officers are notorious for being the worst shots ever. If those idiots who can't add are given a gun, we're all ****ed...
/rant.

AMEN!!

I'm white, I'm from the inner city along with thousands upon thousands of other white people were I'm from(north philadelphia), my dad beat my mom and he left when I was a little kid, we were extremely poor, the schools sucked, etc...

But, I got A's and B's(it's called studying and having a parent who cared ) , I graduated, I have a good job, nice things, and I'm about to buy a house at 24. So that whole inner city b.s. don't fly for me. IMHO it only flies for people who have never experienced it and think that they are the experts on the subject. Or the kids growing up now who don't know any better because parents and others who don't try to motivate these children to apply themselves, instead they watch as their children follow in their footsteps.

Oh yeah, in the inner city white people are the minority and alot of whites have made it out including myself so whats the excuse???????

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

Being 'on the left' is synonymous with feeling that income level somehow has something to do with intelligence levels?

no, dont mistake intelligence for education, they are very different things. But yes, being on the left usually means you understand the coorelation with income level and education.

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

no, dont mistake intelligence for education, they are very different things. But yes, being on the left usually means you understand the coorelation with income level and education.

True, and I'm probably more left leaning than right if I had to choose between the arbitrary party distinctions.

However, your views seem a little blindly democratic as opposed to logically fleshed out..... your white guilt is forcing you to mentally compensate by bending the rules, if only for the time being.

You suggest invoking the power of the "more privledged" to give opportunities to the "less privledged" part of society...

...then immediately say that its okay to have POLICE OFFICERS, the ultimate civil servant, that cannot do simple arithmatic as long as they are black?!

That's hardly a view inspired by the intention to maintain societal balance. It's your white guilt/arrogance distorting your idea of what's fair and, more importantly (and less subjectively), best for society.

To prove the point, take away the racial element for a second:

Are you in favor of dumber cops?

See what I mean?

 

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

I cant believe this shyt!

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

no, dont mistake intelligence for education, they are very different things. But yes, being on the left usually means you understand the coorelation with income level and education.

I well know the difference between education and intelligence, tyvm.

I simply do not buy the whole "inner-city schools are inherently poorer houses of education than their more upscale neighborhood counterparts" argument as I know for a fact that it is a fallacy.

My mother, after getting away from actively teaching, became a sales rep for a textbook publisher. I've seen many, many "inner-city" schools that the teachers found within gave their all in attempts to educate the pupils who came before them in their classrooms. Are there teachers in "inner-city" schools that are woefully underperforming? Certainly there are! Are there educators in the "upper crust" houses of education underperforming just as badly if not worse? Absolute there are ~ do not fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

I hold fast to my assertion that there is no substitute for desire. If the kids merely show up to school so that they aren't truant and have no desire to gain something that they didn't have when they arrived it won't matter one whit where the school in qustion is located. If a given individual has no desire to learn then that learning isn't going to happen by osmosis.

That view has nothing to do with leaning left or right - it is pure fact.

I'd be willing to wager that the overwhelming majority of those benefitting from these alternative testing procedures or monetary incentives or whatever failed due to lack of desire rather than lack of opportunity.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

i personally think giving them $ for lack of motivation and or trying is stupid. Just b/c someone is from an inner city school doesn't mean that you can't learn to freaking add, subtract, multiply and divide. I mean seriously, if the issues were say advanced calc. or geometry, algebra trig etc etc, then i can understand it more. To give someone of an ethnicity $ b/c they can't multiply 15x22(just an example) then why whould they get money? I mean come on when did we all learn to mutliply and divide? I know I was taught that in like 2nd grade so it's like saying that b/c you can't remember 7yr old mathematics, let's give you $ and continue to cycle.

Well, for the first time I have to agree with you. I mean it really is BS to me. I mean just think if the roles were reversed and the whites did really shitty and the blacks passed with flying colors. Do you think we would ***** up a storm about it? Nope, of course we dont have the special organzations like blacks do, so they can get away with it. I mean dont get me wrong as I have a few good black friends and I know them pretty well, or so I think and I dont see them acting this way if they didnt pass it. They would be like well I guess I just didnt listen enough in math class or just been so long since I have done it. It is crazy when you get a big group of people like this, then they have to take it to a greater cause to futher change the rules of the test. I mean that is crazyiness. I say you fail. Go learn your math and come back and take it. Simple as that really. Oh well, this is just how it is anymore and not much we can really do about it.

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

However, your views seem a little blindly democratic as opposed to logically fleshed out..... your white guilt is forcing you to mentally compensate by bending the rules, if only for the time being.

I dont have "black guilt" (that I'm aware of //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif ) That is just how I see it being most fair.

You suggest invoking the power of the "more privledged" to give opportunities to the "less privledged" part of society...

...then immediately say that its okay to have POLICE OFFICERS, the ultimate civil servant, that cannot do simple arithmatic as long as they are black?!

I'd assume they can do simple arithmatic, I'm sure it was the multiplication and long division that they mostly failed. Its ok to have police officers that cant do multiplication and long division mentally. As long as this doesnt affect their job, which it shouldnt, then why not? And I wouldnt say "as long as they're black", the test will be revised for everyone, not just black people. Whites who cant do that math can surely be officers aswell //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

That's hardly a view inspired by the intention to maintain societal balance. It's your white guilt/arrogance distorting your idea of what's fair and, more importantly (and less subjectively), best for society.

Yesm I believe affirmative action is best for society... if you wanna call that my "white guilt/arrogance"... ok //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

To prove the point, take away the racial element for a second:

Are you in favor of dumber cops?

"dumb" is a very vague word. I'm in favor of people becoming cops despite the fact that they may not be able to do math. Last time I checked, cops rarely have to solve intense math problems in there line of duty. Not being able to do math does not mean they would not be able to serve a community as well as a cop who can do fancy long division.

See what I mean?

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

I well know the difference between education and intelligence, tyvm.

you didnt show it in your post

I simply do not buy the whole "inner-city schools are inherently poorer houses of education than their more upscale neighborhood counterparts" argument as I know for a fact that it is a fallacy.

Good luck arguing with facts. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Here are a few off the top of my head, I'll go ahead and find sources and cite them if you request.

-innercity teachers get paid ~20% less than suburban teachers

-around 50% of inner city students drop out

-average per student expenditure is about DOUBLE for suburban kids.

If this doesnt lead to worse educational conditions, then I dont know what does.

My mother, after getting away from actively teaching, became a sales rep for a textbook publisher. I've seen many, many "inner-city" schools that the teachers found within gave their all in attempts to educate the pupils who came before them in their classrooms. Are there teachers in "inner-city" schools that are woefully underperforming? Certainly there are! Are there educators in the "upper crust" houses of education underperforming just as badly if not worse? Absolute there are ~ do not fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

I didnt argue that... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

I hold fast to my assertion that there is no substitute for desire. If the kids merely show up to school so that they aren't truant and have no desire to gain something that they didn't have when they arrived it won't matter one whit where the school in qustion is located. If a given individual has no desire to learn then that learning isn't going to happen by osmosis.

I totally agree.