Cleanest Amplifier

[Bavarian3 10+ year member]

WHY are u bumping old *** threads. Idiot.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

if you doubt this come over and I will personaly pull my mcintosh amps out and put in a top of the line Us Amps tu475 and you will hear the difference as soon as it plays. then i will put in a Hifonics followed by a Mtx and each time you will hear a degradation of sound due to that fact that these amps can not produce the fast transiant sounds that the mcintosh can. once i put the mcintosh amps back in you will fall over in your seat and never state "A watt is a watt" again.

I don't believe any of that shit that you stated! Buy me a plane ticket, and I'll be up there to to listen to this all mighty McIntosh amp. A watt is a watt. Get over it! Efficiency and the dampening factor may play a key, but the original statment stands. "A WATT IS A WATT!"

 

[zane 10+ year member]

I notice the argument is that a watt is a watt and any amp will only produce the sound that is sent to it so there is no difference between higher end amps that produce the same power. . . (even stated by one of the moderators) this is true in a perfect world but not a true statement. you have all kinds of factors that go into the production of a "clean" watt. and to say that you need twice the power of what you think you need is crazy, all you need for good sound quality at the 90 to 98 db. range is 1 watt!!!! that is right "ONE WATT" so what makes one amp clean and another not? well for one thing it is the amps ability to keep the signal seperated into individual insturments and vocals. to be able to produce energy burst that are fast enough and powerful enough to keep your highs crisp while producing deep rumblling bass at the same time. DON'T BE FOOLED, NOT ALL WATTS ARE THE SAME!!!! you can take a 500w xtant amp and it will not be as "clean" as a 30w Mcintosh or synfoni. if you doubt this come over and I will personaly pull my mcintosh amps out and put in a top of the line Us Amps tu475 and you will hear the difference as soon as it plays. then i will put in a Hifonics followed by a Mtx and each time you will hear a degradation of sound due to that fact that these amps can not produce the fast transiant sounds that the mcintosh can. once i put the mcintosh amps back in you will fall over in your seat and never state "A watt is a watt" again.

Hrmm............................

So you are effectively stating that an amplifier has the ability to act intelligently in sorting out the information (music) presented to it on an instrument and vocal basis.

Tell me, how does an amplifier determine what vocals are. What guitars are, what drums are, what bass is?

Last I checked, amplifiers do not contain a CPU, or any programing in which to process and execute this theory.

Funny, My Xtant amps (x1001 and a403) do not exhibit any audible differences in SQ over their previous PG amplifiers. ( R8.0:1 and R4.0:2). Nor is any audible difference observed in swapping to a JBL BP1200.1 and a Profile Baja 400.

While there are several area's of the actual "Amp Challenge" that raise some question, it still has a solid outcome that no one has been able to disprove in blind testing such as you suggest.

In short, I can perform a double blind amp test (again) and maintain a no audible difference outcome in contrast to your own suggested testing.

I also believe that if your theory holds any truth, RC owes you roughly 10 grand for passing his amplifier challenge.

May as well collect if you are certain that there is a difference.

For all practical purposes, a watt is a watt.

 

[DARKHART 10+ year member]

I notice the argument is that a watt is a watt and any amp will only produce the sound that is sent to it so there is no difference between higher end amps that produce the same power. . . (even stated by one of the moderators) this is true in a perfect world but not a true statement. you have all kinds of factors that go into the production of a "clean" watt. and to say that you need twice the power of what you think you need is crazy, all you need for good sound quality at the 90 to 98 db. range is 1 watt!!!! that is right "ONE WATT" so what makes one amp clean and another not? well for one thing it is the amps ability to keep the signal seperated into individual insturments and vocals. to be able to produce energy burst that are fast enough and powerful enough to keep your highs crisp while producing deep rumblling bass at the same time. DON'T BE FOOLED, NOT ALL WATTS ARE THE SAME!!!! you can take a 500w xtant amp and it will not be as "clean" as a 30w Mcintosh or synfoni. if you doubt this come over and I will personaly pull my mcintosh amps out and put in a top of the line Us Amps tu475 and you will hear the difference as soon as it plays. then i will put in a Hifonics followed by a Mtx and each time you will hear a degradation of sound due to that fact that these amps can not produce the fast transiant sounds that the mcintosh can. once i put the mcintosh amps back in you will fall over in your seat and never state "A watt is a watt" again.

Son if you truly believe this garbage you are spewing then take your almighty Mcintosh amp and hop on a plane and go visit Richard Clark and take his $10,000 dollars from him because he's already proved that a watt is a watt period and he's offerring 10grand to anyone who can prove him wrong. A word of caution before you get on the plane though,,,this challenge has been standing for several years, thousands of audio, electrical, and sound engineers from all the major manufactures have taken his challenge and FAILED! So unless you've found a way to change the laws of physics then LEAVE IT ALONE, A WATT IS A WATT PERIOD!!!!!! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

I think I see a seperate arguement here. I here a "watt is a watt", which under right conditions is true. I would never argue that a watt is a watt. But an amplifier is not the same a another amplifier. If that be the case then why wouldn't we all just go out and buy pyramid amps and call it a day? Because of the overall sound that amps put out...the presence, the warmth and so on. I will agree that with 1 watt you can have a very nice amplifier though. Can't think of the name right now but there are some rather high end amps that use only 1 watt. Sound very nice.

 

[zane 10+ year member]

I think I see a seperate arguement here. I here a "watt is a watt", which under right conditions is true. I would never argue that a watt is a watt. But an amplifier is not the same a another amplifier. If that be the case then why wouldn't we all just go out and buy pyramid amps and call it a day? Because of the overall sound that amps put out...the presence, the warmth and so on.

That's just it, they can not produce sound. They do not contain any of the essential components within their design to do so.

We don't all run Pyramid amps, true. Also consider that there is no 1 certain brand of amplifiers that extremely high scoring SQ competitors use exclusively.

One would think that if an amplifier could alter SQ that the SQ guys would be the first to jump on it, as points are allready tough to get, and this magical amp would give them an added edge. This is not so.

If you look around at competitions you will likely see everything from zapco to xtant, from MTX to Alpine, etc etc.

There is no magical amp.

Reliability, versatility, on-board features, output, and cosmetics are really more what to base one's decision on when selecting an amp.

 

[limitkid7 5,000+ posts]

I don't believe any of that shit that you stated! Buy me a plane ticket, and I'll be up there to to listen to this all mighty McIntosh amp. A watt is a watt. Get over it! Efficiency and the dampening factor may play a key, but the original statment stands. "A WATT IS A WATT!"

this watt is a watt thing maybe true but how often do you see amps that say how much they put out in watts but really don't.......

so the question comes down to honestly and accuracy....

i mean look at hifonics bx1500d's manual/website/box....

they all have different WATTS

 

[DARKHART 10+ year member]

this watt is a watt thing maybe true but how often do you see amps that say how much they put out in watts but really don't.......
so the question comes down to honestly and accuracy....

i mean look at hifonics bx1500d's manual/website/box....

they all have different WATTS

It seems to me that everyone is missing the very basis of the arguement,,, let me try to put it as simply as I can.If you take two amps, regardless of the manufacture, given that the rms output is the "SAME" not what's stated on the box or heatsink (ie.. a Jensen that's "actually" putting out 100w a channel and an Mcintosh that's "actually" putting out 100w a channel), Remove "ALL" processing. Now run them both with the exact same loads, then you would not be able to tell them apart in listenning tests and Mr. Clark still has his 10grand in his pocket proving that point! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

It gets no simpler than that people so let's leave this one alone please!

 

[limitkid7 5,000+ posts]

It seems to me that everyone is missing the very basis of the arguement,,, let me try to put it as simply as I can.If you take two amps, regardless of the manufacture, given that the rms output is the "SAME" not what's stated on the box or heatsink (ie.. a Jensen that's "actually" putting out 100w a channel and an Mcintosh that's "actually" putting out 100w a channel), Remove "ALL" processing. Now run them both with the exact same loads, then you would not be able to tell them apart in listenning tests and Mr. Clark still has his 10grand in his pocket proving that point! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

It gets no simpler than that people so let's leave this one alone please!

like is said in the previous post

this watt is a watt thing maybe true but how often do you see amps that say how much they put out in watts but really don't.......

so the question comes down to honestly and accuracy....

i mean look at hifonics bx1500d's manual/website/box....

they all have different WATTS

 

[LuNaTiC 10+ year member]

limit, do you even know wat ur talkin about?

ne 1 watt is the same as ne other 1 watt.

simple.

 

[limitkid7 5,000+ posts]

limit, do you even know wat ur talkin about?
ne 1 watt is the same as ne other 1 watt.

simple.

DO U EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? IF NOT I'LL EXPLAIN IN FURTHER DETAIL.

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

Please do warren....

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

Pretty pathetic when people bring back threads to either simply start an argument or to piss people off.

- Stev

 

[slick316 10+ year member]

a watt is a watt,

an amp is an amp,

lets stop all the noise,

and end this dumb rant.

 

[limitkid7 5,000+ posts]

Pretty pathetic when people bring back threads to either simply start an argument or to piss people off.
- Stev

i second that!...

packer knows how to contact me..