best budget battery?

[scottiej 10+ year member]

is this based on 126 batteries or 140?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gifwhen scott originally put the batteries in he was running more than 50 amplifiers.... how many batteries was craig butler using on his ? iirc he was running 20-26 kinetik power cells on way more equipment than alan and doing mid 179's.......also it should be pretty obvious that scott didnt need 126 batteries he already had them and continued to use them so he didnt have to keep charging, which i havent heard him doing even when he was running 52 amplifiers.

it's also a bad comparision considering the smaller vehicle needs less than half the current......i dont think scott would get too good of a burp out of 15 xs power 16v's also he would probably need to charge at the show wouldnt he?

Geez... you're never gonna give up huh? I am very good freinds with Scott, Craig, and Alan... I know all (and I mean ALL) of the details of these vehicles. I am really holding back much of the info I have in order to "play nice" on the forums. Let me just say that (as a veteran competitor) the top guys have a really hard decision to make when it comes to either buying a large amount of equipment, or running what they can get for free. I have been in the same position myself, and have sacrificed because I didnt want to spend the money on the best equipment. I am 100% positive you dont want me to start elaborating on your comments about Craig and Alan's testing.

You are in over your head my freind... I would stop digging while you're ahead //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[AudioXtremes 10+ year member]

Am I getting this straight? Audiolife, would say a 2400 is a better battery than a xs 3100? If so I have a white jacket and a padded room for you.

 

[profundus-sanus 10+ year member]

Am I getting this straight? Audiolife, would say a 2400 is a better battery than a xs 3100? If so I have a white jacket and a padded room for you.

sounded more to me like kinetik>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>battery industry

 

[AudioXtremes 10+ year member]

Haha, well I would bet money that my 2150 would have a higher AH and burp louder than a 2400. Oh and its 3 years old.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Geez... you're never gonna give up huh? I am very good freinds with Scott, Craig, and Alan... I know all (and I mean ALL) of the details of these vehicles. I am really holding back much of the info I have in order to "play nice" on the forums. Let me just say that (as a veteran competitor) the top guys have a really hard decision to make when it comes to either buying a large amount of equipment, or running what they can get for free. I have been in the same position myself, and have sacrificed because I didnt want to spend the money on the best equipment. I am 100% positive you dont want me to start elaborating on your comments about Craig and Alan's testing.
You are in over your head my freind... I would stop digging while you're ahead //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

If you are really trying to be helpful why withhold info? All I am doing is putting the correct information out there instead of just the facts to suit a cause. Since you know Scott's vehicle so well why say it had more batteries than what it really had then compare it to a vehicle with so few? To set the record straight, Scott NEVER had 140 batteries in the truck and he NEVER charged his truck during finals in between 2005 DB drag and Unified finals and MECA finals and then all between Db drag finals, USACI and IASCA in 2006, in which he has won them ALL he has competed since 2005. Not saying he never charges he just doesn't need too to like some other competitors. Pretty sure Kyle didnt charge up at a few of those finals either.

http://audioforum.termpro.com/topic/4/18530/2.html

"Team Edge Audio Scott

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posted 12-19-2007 12:25 PM

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Just to clear everything up....we have 8 pioneer 12 and 32 pioneer amps, 126 Kinetik 16 v batt. all scosche wire and ohio generator alternators "

Also comparing Alan to Scott is not a very fair to EITHER guy. 2 different classes, different amps and different vehicle types. Couldn't we compare Craig Butler to Chris Norris?

As for the "free battery" comment Kinetik, unlike other battery companies, has never given a free battery to any competitor and Scott even paid for his. Scott bought extra batteries because he didn't want the hassle of charging them every week and that is HIS choice to make. My questions I have asked were not stabs and I got an answer that I would have expected from a political candidate and not someone that is unbiased and trying to help. Only reason why i asked about when your batteries came out is sure it is ok to be confident but what does that confidence have to fall back on? Its like saying someone is confident they can be anywhere even in a lions den with a pork chop tied around their neck.

 

[scottiej 10+ year member]

If you are really trying to be helpful why withhold info? All I am doing is putting the correct information out there instead of just the facts to suit a cause. Since you know Scott's vehicle so well why say it had more batteries than what it really had then compare it to a vehicle with so few? To set the record straight, Scott NEVER had 140 batteries in the truck and he NEVER charged his truck during finals in between 2005 DB drag and Unified finals and MECA finals and then all between Db drag finals, USACI and IASCA in 2006, in which he has won them ALL he has competed since 2005. Not saying he never charges he just doesn't need too to like some other competitors. Pretty sure Kyle didnt charge up at a few of those finals either.http://audioforum.termpro.com/topic/4/18530/2.html

"Team Edge Audio Scott

New Member

Member # 21662

posted 12-19-2007 12:25 PM

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Just to clear everything up....we have 8 pioneer 12 and 32 pioneer amps, 126 Kinetik 16 v batt. all scosche wire and ohio generator alternators "

Also comparing Alan to Scott is not a very fair to EITHER guy. 2 different classes, different amps and different vehicle types. Couldn't we compare Craig Butler to Chris Norris?

As for the "free battery" comment Kinetik, unlike other battery companies, has never given a free battery to any competitor and Scott even paid for his. Scott bought extra batteries because he didn't want the hassle of charging them every week and that is HIS choice to make. My questions I have asked were not stabs and I got an answer that I would have expected from a political candidate and not someone that is unbiased and trying to help. Only reason why i asked about when your batteries came out is sure it is ok to be confident but what does that confidence have to fall back on? Its like saying someone is confident they can be anywhere even in a lions den with a pork chop tied around their neck.

Since you refuse to agree to disagree, then I'll agree with you... what does comparing competitors really prove? Nothing... so why do you bring it up every other post? Anytime anyone doubts anything about your precious batteries, you resort to "look at all the champions that use Kinetik!" So why bother comparing SPL scores... why not compare the actual batteries? Have you ever done this? I am quite sure you have not, because you would not be arguing so strongly! Put one D1000 agains one KHC16V in a 1 on 1 test and see what happens... I have independant test results from two different accredited battery test labs that show the results. As well as reports from several competitors who have performed direct comparisons. I've been contemplating publishing these results... I think now that I seem to be getting pushed you might want to keep your eyes on the website over the next few weeks... there will be some interesting updates //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Oh... and dont try to feed me the "never given away a free battery" crap. I wasnt refering to Scott, but if you want to get technical, the money for those batts didnt come from his pockets. And you dont "buy" twice as many batteries as you need just to keep from charging... that's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

Where does my confidence come from? Oh, it might have something to do with the fact that we make a superior product, and we stand behind them with a solid warranty. Eager to prove me wrong? Great! Lets see it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

so.. uh

the everstart marine maxx from wally world is a cheap/good one to use, correct?

 

[scottiej 10+ year member]

so.. uh
the everstart marine maxx from wally world is a cheap/good one to use, correct?

yes, it is cheap //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Would work as well as anything else in its price range. IMO it's worth the investment to spend the extra $$$ on something that will be with you for a while and still have a good re-sale value if you need to sell it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Lets get this thread back on track! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Since you refuse to agree to disagree, then I'll agree with you... what does comparing competitors really prove? Nothing... so why do you bring it up every other post? Anytime anyone doubts anything about your precious batteries, you resort to "look at all the champions that use Kinetik!" So why bother comparing SPL scores... why not compare the actual batteries? Have you ever done this? I am quite sure you have not, because you would not be arguing so strongly! Put one D1000 agains one KHC16V in a 1 on 1 test and see what happens... I have independant test results from two[\b] different accredited battery test labs that show the results. As well as reports from several competitors who have performed direct comparisons. I've been contemplating publishing these results... I think now that I seem to be getting pushed you might want to keep your eyes on the website over the next few weeks... there will be some interesting updates //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif 

Oh... and dont try to feed me the "never given away a free battery" crap. I wasnt refering to Scott, but if you want to get technical, the money for those batts didnt come from his pockets. And you dont "buy" twice as many batteries as you need just to keep from charging... that's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

 

Where does my confidence come from? Oh, it might have something to do with the fact[\b] that we make a superior product, and we stand behind them with a solid warranty. Eager to prove me wrong? Great! Lets see it! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

bold works for me

My precious batteries? Who works for a manufacturer? Anytime anyone disagrees with you it ends up you trying to twist things that are said and/or then insult them, then threaten them with facts at a later date or find a way to pass the buck off on someone else.

 

Hey you are the one who knows the ins and outs of the champions vehicles. What came first 52 amps down to 32 or the 126 batteries (or your 140)?(is counting batteries like counting usaci championship points?):laugh:If competitor results dont mean anything why rehash Scott? When he does anything I don't just ever see him doing it to "just get by"and i know he doesnt like charging. Scott was offered free batteries from others but stuck with kinetik.....

No competitor gets free batteries from kinetik, I see no proof to make me think otherwise and judging from how accurate you were with battery totals why would I or anyone believe this?

 

[scottiej 10+ year member]

:yawn: tired of taking the time to type intelligent, legible posts and getting these responses... I don't understand half of what your post is saying... but it's pretty much the same as all the others.

I am going to respectfully back out of this conversation, as it has proven that I might as well be talking to the wall. The cards will all be on the table soon enough, no need for me to waste too much time on it now. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

:yawn: tired of taking the time to type intelligent, legible posts and getting these responses... I don't understand half of what your post is saying... but it's pretty much the same as all the others.
I am going to respectfully back out of this conversation, as it has proven that I might as well be talking to the wall. The cards will all be on the table soon enough, no need for me to waste too much time on it now. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

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[savagebee 10+ year member]

yes, it is cheap //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Would work as well as anything else in its price range. IMO it's worth the investment to spend the extra $$$ on something that will be with you for a while and still have a good re-sale value if you need to sell it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Lets get this thread back on track! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I understand that, but, in my position, I dont plan on selling the car, so reslae isnt important to me, and I have plenty of room for a bank in the back of my wagon, behind the wall, so

would spending $400 on a bank of these be better than spending $500 on two used big boy/big name batteries?

I dont need the massive electrical at the moment, but Im building it up for a later amp/sub stage

so.. I could have 4 of therse biog *** everstart maxx's for under $400, brand new, wqith a long warranty, or two used hc 2400s or 3100's, if I found a deal, which would be the best option, if resale isnt considered

(Ill be the first to admit I dont know much of anything about batteries, as far as technical issues go, I just saw how large the maxx's were, along with the buss bar friendly terminals and got to thinking about it)

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Totally depends on the amount of power. AGM has advantages over add water cells and are sealed. AGMs for the most part have more deep cycle capacity, will not corrode and are more maintenance free.

 

[Thedeadly1 10+ year member]

Scottie u kept saying you knew everything about them and then you back out

Audiolife>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>scottie

 

[scottiej 10+ year member]

I understand that, but, in my position, I dont plan on selling the car, so reslae isnt important to me, and I have plenty of room for a bank in the back of my wagon, behind the wall, sowould spending $400 on a bank of these be better than spending $500 on two used big boy/big name batteries?

I dont need the massive electrical at the moment, but Im building it up for a later amp/sub stage

so.. I could have 4 of therse biog *** everstart maxx's for under $400, brand new, wqith a long warranty, or two used hc 2400s or 3100's, if I found a deal, which would be the best option, if resale isnt considered

(Ill be the first to admit I dont know much of anything about batteries, as far as technical issues go, I just saw how large the maxx's were, along with the buss bar friendly terminals and got to thinking about it)

Depends on how long term the system is... I would suspect the D3100 would outlast the Everstart by double... or more. Not to mention the weight you would save by not needing as many batteries. That combined with the other AGM advantages like being more vibration resistant and sealed/maintanence free.