Against JL audio?

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

JL is not for the cheap. If you want cheap, go Clarion, Pyle, Jensen, or Lightning. Anything at pep-boys should suit your needs.

JL is for ballers. Theres a reason all the biggest rappers sing about JL, Zapco, Alpine..... and not Lightning audio or Pyle. It's all about the BALLER FACTOR.

It's like street racing..... yeah you can make a Honda Civic smash on a V12 ferrari at a fraction of the cost..... but at the end of the day, you still live at your parents house with a Honda Civic and the other dude is rollin up to his mansion in his ferrari ready to bang some fine chick. The same goes for JL Audio.

We are an elitist group of car audio lovers.

Fo shizzle, mo dizzle?

 

[Captain_Ahab 5,000+ posts]

Has turned into quite an interesting thread.

I love seeing the big numbers JL users put up at competitions.(haha, they wish)

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

JL 1000/1 = $999 MSRP
Kicker ZX 1000.1 = $699

Alpine PDX1.1000 = $799

RF T1000.1 = $799

MTX TE1501D = $799 (1500w RMS)

MB Quart PAB12001D = $599

Orion HCCA-D1200 = $429

Clarion DPX 11500 = $450

JBL GTO1201.1 = $500

JBL BPX1100.1 = $995

PPI D2000/1 = $700

... so the 1000/1 is $200 more than the closest competitors (aside from the JBL BPX). The the Alpine PDX1.1000, Kicker ZX1000.1 and the RF T1000.1, I consider to be very comparable to the JL, yet cost less. The MTX that actually produces 500w more power is $200 less. There are several others, whose quality in comparison to the JL is arguable, but still should put out 1000w, that are half the price.

Overpriced? I think so.

The Lightning Audio X1.2000.1D MSRP's around what, $900-$1k?

http://www.cardomain.com/item/BOSBL3KD

MSRP in the $400 range. You can buy two of the Boss for less than the price of a single X1.2000.1D

Therefore, the LA amplifier is overpriced.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I've changed subs like I change underwear, and I haven't had a single problem with not being able to find the right voice coil...

Here is my point, as simple as I can make it:

1. The flexibility that RIPS offers does hold value to the customer and to the dealer.

2. The only other amplifier that offers something similar is priced identically.

3. Anything more expensive than the JL Audio product is also overpriced. If there is anything offered at a lower price than your amplifier, your amp is also overpriced.

edit: Thank you, Brad. My point exactly.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Not to get into the middle of this, but my PG Tantrums display the same output over a range of impedances, like the slash amps do.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Not to get into the middle of this, but my PG Tantrums display the same output over a range of impedances, like the slash amps do.

I wasn't aware that the Tantrum's did, but I know the Xenon line from PG did and they were much more affordable. That's a very good point, but my point, for the most part, remains the same.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

The Lightning Audio X1.2000.1D MSRP's around what, $900-$1k?
http://www.cardomain.com/item/BOSBL3KD

MSRP in the $400 range. You can buy two of the Boss for less than the price of a single X1.2000.1D

Therefore, the LA amplifier is overpriced.

but you didn't factor in that boss is very overrated and very poor quality. i put up quite a few amps that are of equal quality.... yet still cost 20% less....

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

but you didn't factor in that boss is very overrated and very poor quality. i put up quite a few amps that are of equal quality.... yet still cost 20% less....

"Poor Quality" is subjective; Do you have actual statistics as to Boss's failure rates compared to Lightnings? Warranty returns? Someone could certainly purchase those Boss and run a very good chance they would perform without failure for a very reasonable period of time.

Even if they are overrated, two of them rated at a combined 4400w would surely output atleast (and very likely more than) what your Lightning does at stable impedances and be cheaper based on MSRP.

Your LA X1.2000.1D is overpriced.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

No, my girlfriend is overpriced... all this crap is reasonable in comparison. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

No poor quality is very objective.

Look at the guts of that amp's big brother:

... and then look at the guts of my amp:

So a boss amp has very few components in it (even compared to an amp whose output is supposedly 1000w less) and based on price, I'd guess that they're cheap parts.

No, I don't have Boss failure rates, but the pictures speak for themselves.

So, 2 of those amps at 400 a pop, or 1 of my amp, at 900.

Again, the amps I showed put out the same power, with the same quality as the JL, but cost $200 less. The boss amps put out "the same" power with terrible quality. I fail to see your logic.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

No poor quality is very objective.
Look at the guts of that amp's big brother:

... and then look at the guts of my amp:

So a boss amp has very few components in it (even compared to an amp whose output is supposedly 1000w less) and based on price, I'd guess that they're cheap parts.

No, I don't have Boss failure rates, but the pictures speak for themselves.

So, 2 of those amps at 400 a pop, or 1 of my amp, at 900.

Again, the amps I showed put out the same power, with the same quality as the JL, but cost $200 less. The boss amps put out "the same" power with terrible quality. I fail to see your logic.

Maybe every single one of those amps you listed has higher failure rates and/or warranty returns than the JL?

Pictures don't prove the Boss is more prone to failure or less suitable to do the task of amplifying an audio signal. Less parts, less things to fail //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif More power, less price. The quality level thus far is purely your subjective opinion.

Your LA is overpriced.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Maybe every single one of those amps you listed has higher failure rates and/or warranty returns than the JL?
Pictures don't prove the Boss is more prone to failure or less suitable to do the task of amplifying an audio signal. Less parts, less things to fail //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif More power, less price. The quality level thus far is purely your subjective opinion.

Your LA is overpriced.

Alright, then why don't you start running Boss amps if their quality is so good?

The answer is that although I don't have facts and figures to back it up because I'm too lazy to do the research... it's common knowledge that Boss makes a poor quality product, and I still maintain that you're comparing apples to oranges.

Again, JL amps have a high price tag for one reason: because they can. That whole "because we can" attitude is why I think they're overpriced.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Alright, then why don't you start running Boss amps if their quality is so good?
The answer is that although I don't have facts and figures to back it up because I'm too lazy to do the research... it's common knowledge that Boss makes a poor quality product, and I still maintain that you're comparing apples to oranges.

Your LA is overpriced because you can find products that will match or exceed it in output and features for less price and those products should, and likely would, exceed the user's need for the product in terms of lifespan.

That's your argument against JL being overpriced, no?

Two way street.

Again, JL amps have a high price tag for one reason: because they can. That whole "because we can" attitude is why I think they're overpriced.

Actually, I would say the JL is a great value in comparison to some other brands.

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3401

http://theautophile.com/products/GenesisNavFrame.html

Brax and Genesis are now, ofcourse, severely overpriced and JL is an extremely great value!! Quick! Grab all the JL you can at these bargain-basement prices....too good of a value to pass up!

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Your LA is overpriced because you can find products that will match or exceed it in output and features for less price and those products should, and likely would, exceed the user's need for the product in terms of lifespan.
That's your argument against JL being overpriced, no?

Two way street.

Actually, I would say the JL is a great value in comparison to some other brands.

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3401

http://theautophile.com/products/GenesisNavFrame.html

Brax and Genesis are now, ofcourse, severely overpriced and JL is an extremely great value!! Quick! Grab all the JL you can at these bargain-basement prices....too good of a value to pass up!

Brax and Genesis are also handcrafted and made with the highest quality possible in mind. JL is made by a kid in either china or korea iirc. Not saying that the JL is low quality, but that the comparison of Brax and Genesis to JL is just like comparing the LA amp to the Boss amp. Apples and oranges. Thank you come again.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Brax and Genesis are also handcrafted and made with the highest quality possible in mind. JL is made by a kid in either china or korea iirc. Not saying that the JL is low quality, but that the comparison of Brax and Genesis to JL is just like comparing the LA amp to the Boss amp. Apples and oranges. Thank you come again.

They are both audio amplifiers.

Both should, and likely would, exceed the user's need for the product in terms of lifespan.

Both output approximately the same power.

Both offer approximately the same features.

Apples to apples.

JL = great value.

Good try, no prize.

Though it's kind of amusing.....anything cheaper than JL is a good value compared to JL, JL is overpriced, anything more expensive than JL is worth it's value.

And you were questioning my logic?