Against JL audio?

[cotjones 10+ year member]

It's range of input sensitivity ("widely variable gain") has nothing to do with it's ability to output more than rated power or at what level it clips.

what i ment is that you can jack the gains higher than they should be set with the jl and still not get a ton of clipping, or as much as some would

JL is far from the only company to offer a tightly regulated power supply.

i agree

Huh?

what i ment by that is the bass boost, i don't know why i keep calling it an equallizer, some amps only have one frequency boost that you cant turn up and down, the jl slash amps have many more controls and options

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

that power supply they have makes them ungodly ineffecient. thats a big reason alot of people dont run them either. effeciency is a good thing to have when dealing with 1000+ watts

actually i've litterally never heard someone say they refused to run a jl amp because they are "inefficient", 1000 watts is 1000 watts, inefficient doesn't mean much more than "it heats up".... and the slash V2s have improved in that area alot...

i mean the new slash amps are more efficient than alot of class d amps and have a better dampening factor than alot of class a/b amps... i don't know what you're talking about?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

actually i've litterally never heard someone say they refused to run a jl amp because they are "inefficient", 1000 watts is 1000 watts, inefficient doesn't mean much more than "it heats up".... and the slash V2s have improved in that area alot...
i mean the new slash amps are more efficient than alot of class d amps and have a better dampening factor than alot of class a/b amps... i don't know what you're talking about?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

No, they're not more efficient. Efficiency is the ratio of power out over power in. Basically, it's how much current the amp needs to draw from your electrical system in order to put out that 1000 watts. The worse the efficiency, the harder the amp is on your charging system.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

So comparibly, price not being an option, is there any amps in the 500/1 and 1000/1 that compete in the quality and RMS of this amp?

Way too many to list. I'll throw one out for starters. Sundown audio.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

actually i've litterally never heard someone say they refused to run a jl amp because they are "inefficient", 1000 watts is 1000 watts, inefficient doesn't mean much more than "it heats up".... and the slash V2s have improved in that area alot...
i mean the new slash amps are more efficient than alot of class d amps and have a better dampening factor than alot of class a/b amps... i don't know what you're talking about?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

You got that last part right:laugh: Inefficient means that the amp has to draw more power from your alternator to produce a given amount of wattage. Effecient amps won't drain your electrical and cause dimming/ strain your charging system. Compare say a pdx amp vs an equivalent jl.

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

Because I'm poor. I'd rather do more for less.

 

[spudracer326 10+ year member]

I think people need to get over JL's price. For the price point they make good products. Also if you start to look into more esoteric brands youll see that JL's Price is midstream at best.....

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I like JL I dont see why every body is all but hurt about them.
I looked at the prices of Kicker, Rockford, and some others. in a dealer price book and was like wow this shit is over priced.

Bingo.

And there is tons of overpriced product out there. I hear every single day that JL Audio is overpriced, but I never hear anyone say that about any other company priced at or above them. There are a ton of overpriced amplifiers out there (grossly more overpriced than JL Audio) that people will look at and assume that the ridiculous price is an instant indication that they are magical "SQ" amplifiers. But when JL Audio has MSRP pricing that is reflective of the mainstream B&M market that it caters to, it's called overpriced. Not sure I get it....

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

what i ment is that you can jack the gains higher than they should be set with the jl and still not get a ton of clipping, or as much as some would

Incorrect.

 

[DejaWiz 5,000+ posts]

what i ment is that you can jack the gains higher than they should be set with the jl and still not get a ton of clipping, or as much as some would

That's really far off from the truth. Anytime the gain is set to exceed the HU Preout voltage, clipping will occur. Brand has no bearing on this whatsoever.

Clipping is clipping. There's no such thing as "JL lesser clipping".

I like JL products. But yeah, the pricing sucks for what you get.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

actually i've litterally never heard someone say they refused to run a jl amp because they are "inefficient", 1000 watts is 1000 watts, inefficient doesn't mean much more than "it heats up"....

I don't think that I have ever heard it explained quite like that.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

I like JL I dont see why every body is all but hurt about them.
I looked at the prices of Kicker, Rockford, and some others. in a dealer price book and was like wow this shit is over priced.

JL 1000/1 = $999 MSRP

Kicker ZX 1000.1 = $699

Alpine PDX1.1000 = $799

RF T1000.1 = $799

MTX TE1501D = $799 (1500w RMS)

MB Quart PAB12001D = $599

Orion HCCA-D1200 = $429

Clarion DPX 11500 = $450

JBL GTO1201.1 = $500

JBL BPX1100.1 = $995

PPI D2000/1 = $700

... so the 1000/1 is $200 more than the closest competitors (aside from the JBL BPX). The the Alpine PDX1.1000, Kicker ZX1000.1 and the RF T1000.1, I consider to be very comparable to the JL, yet cost less. The MTX that actually produces 500w more power is $200 less. There are several others, whose quality in comparison to the JL is arguable, but still should put out 1000w, that are half the price.

Overpriced? I think so.

 

[Lakota 5,000+ posts]

1000 watts is 1000 watts, inefficient doesn't mean much more than "it heats up".... and the slash V2s have improved in that area alot...

That heat is caused by energy that is wasted. Thus, you get less output but have to have more input.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

JL 1000/1 = $999 MSRP
Kicker ZX 1000.1 = $699

Alpine PDX1.1000 = $799

RF T1000.1 = $799

MTX TE1501D = $799 (1500w RMS)

MB Quart PAB12001D = $599

Orion HCCA-D1200 = $429

Clarion DPX 11500 = $450

JBL GTO1201.1 = $500

JBL BPX1100.1 = $995

PPI D2000/1 = $700

... so the 1000/1 is $200 more than the closest competitors (aside from the JBL BPX). The the Alpine PDX1.1000, Kicker ZX1000.1 and the RF T1000.1, I consider to be very comparable to the JL, yet cost less. The MTX that actually produces 500w more power is $200 less. There are several others, whose quality in comparison to the JL is arguable, but still should put out 1000w, that are half the price.

Overpriced? I think so.

As far as a feature set is concerned, the only one that is close is the JBL BPX1100.1 and it's roughly the same price.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Right now, I'm running a lightning audio x1.2000.1D. Let's compare it to the 1000/1

LPF? Check

SSF? Check

Phase switch? Check

"Advanced bass control" (Bass boost with a Q Control)? Negative. In fact, there is no bass boost on my amp, because its unnecessary...

Preamp out controls? Negative. It's just another useless frill...

So basically all the JL has that other amps don't is a Q control on the bass boost, and an xover on the output. Worth $200? Not by a long shot.

Edit: The $200 you save could be used to buy a h/u with all the xover features and more....