About to scrap my new system... Need help

[gimling]

Just spend the 20 dollars on the Pioneer CD-MC20 Auto Equalizer Microphone for Pioneer Headunits its got a descent sound processor built in.

 

[fly_marlin]

from everything ive read, everyone just uses the stock locations for the speakers and tweeters. i dont have any pics off hand to show you but a simple google search of a mk4 golf will bring up plenty of info if you were curious. Its not a terrible spot for the tweeters to but its not the best. The tweeters for this particular set of kappas are absolutely HUGE. ive never seen tweeters this big for this level of speaker, i had to cut the tweeter housing thickness in half to get them to fit in factory spot. I really wanted to get custom pods for them so they sit at a better angle but that type of fabrication is out of my skill level and shops wanted $250+ to make a set for me. ill pass for now..

It says tweeter is 1", which is pretty standard, probably just the mounting hardware that's so huge. Don't buy a new amp, probably prove to be a waste of money since you're using the amp even less now that you've bypassed its x-overs. You may even try to redo the auto-EQ deal, see if it works better now. I see you going in the audiophile grade speaker direction at some point. If you do, you'll never go back.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Few notes. Once you set the amp x-over to full, it doesn't matter what HPF or LPF dials are set to. Now go back and set the HPF on the deck to 120, 80 is a bit too low. If you're using 12db slopes, you don't want to have the same x-over point for the LPF and HPF. 80 is fine for LPF, but set the HPF to 120 (or whatever the closest number that it lets you do). It will sound clearer and should take care of that unwanted reverberation as the speakers won't be digging so low.

Are you crossed over at 120?

 

[fly_marlin]

Me? Yeah.

 

[dieseldub02]

It says tweeter is 1", which is pretty standard, probably just the mounting hardware that's so huge. Don't buy a new amp, probably prove to be a waste of money since you're using the amp even less now that you've bypassed its x-overs. You may even try to redo the auto-EQ deal, see if it works better now. I see you going in the audiophile grade speaker direction at some point. If you do, you'll never go back.

1 inch is standard and knew that ahead of time... but its the actual casing of the tweeter that is massive, i wasnt able to use the mounting kit provided. (maybe a mistake?)

the auto eq was only on there for about 10 min and was taken off immediately because it sounded worse than having a flat eq. currently i have the eq on "powerful" instead of flat since i like high notes a littler higher and it offers a little more punch off the bottom. And as far as audiophile quality goes, i would be there already if it didnt cost so much! I finally got this system going so it'll hold me over for a while, but eventually ill upgrade when i get a new car that isnt so loud and full of vibration being that its a diesel.

 

[dieseldub02]

Are you crossed over at 120?

I set the front at 120 with 12db slope and the rear is set at 100. The only option for the low pass is with the subwoofer. should be fine?

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

I set the front at 120 with 12db slope and the rear is set at 100. The only option for the low pass is with the subwoofer. should be fine?

Go back to 80. Set the sub at 63. -24db slope. The rears are fine a bit higher, they don't matter anyway.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Me? Yeah.

Where is your sub at?

Your doors are sealed right? You run ported, claim to have awesome mids, have a PS8

But you run passive and have mids crossed over half way into the mid bass

 

[fly_marlin]

[quote name='NoLoud4U']Go back to 80. Set the sub at 63. -24db slope. The rears are fine a bit higher, they don't matter anyway.[/QUOTE]

I've heard those sets don't have the best midbass, 80 may be a bit low for it, even at 24db. Either way, @dieseldub02, play with it on the HU and see what sounds best now that you have a point of reference. It's going to be a combination of what you like and how your drivers are able to perform. Infinity set I owned, crossing lower wasn't even in question.

 

[dieseldub02]

[quote name='fly_marlin']I've heard those sets don't have the best midbass, 80 may be a bit low for it, even at 24db. Either way, @dieseldub02, play with it on the HU and see what sounds best now that you have a point of reference. It's going to be a combination of what you like and how your drivers are able to perform. Infinity set I owned, crossing lower wasn't even in question.[/QUOTE]











they sound like they are struggling at 80. 100 or 125 sounds the best, i have more than plenty of sub if that makes a difference.

whats the slope supposed to be on the front? -12 or -24?

 

[fly_marlin]

Where is your sub at?

Your doors are sealed right? You run ported, claim to have awesome mids, have a PS8

But you run passive and have mids crossed over half way into the mid bass

Sub is at 80. Yes, sealed is right. The mids are awesome. This is where I like it, I've spent plenty of time messing with points and slopes, this is what sounds most appealing to me right now for all my music tastes. Remember, I can't change anything on the fly or I'd use all the presets and change while I drive. Unfortunately, Arc is being shady with the controller.

This discussion isn't about me though.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

from everything ive read, everyone just uses the stock locations for the speakers and tweeters. i dont have any pics off hand to show you but a simple google search of a mk4 golf will bring up plenty of info if you were curious. Its not a terrible spot for the tweeters to but its not the best. The tweeters for this particular set of kappas are absolutely HUGE. ive never seen tweeters this big for this level of speaker, i had to cut the tweeter housing thickness in half to get them to fit in factory spot. I really wanted to get custom pods for them so they sit at a better angle but that type of fabrication is out of my skill level and shops wanted $250+ to make a set for me. ill pass for now..

Custom pods would likely be money well spent.

IMO crossing mids at 120 and sub at 80 is asking for anemic midbass. You'll need to cross your mids lower or your sub higher, possibly try reversing polarity on tweeters or the sub (sometimes this helps if you have a bad phasing issue). If you can't get plenty of sound out of those at 50W crossed at 80hz better locations would help a lot.

Try experimenting with the crossover points and see if it sounds better at lower volume so you don't bottom out the mids.

 

[fly_marlin]

Custom pods would likely be money well spent.
IMO crossing mids at 120 and sub at 80 is asking for anemic midbass. You'll need to cross your mids lower or your sub higher, possibly try reversing polarity on tweeters or the sub (sometimes this helps if you have a bad phasing issue). If you can't get plenty of sound out of those at 50W crossed at 80hz better locations would help a lot.

Try experimenting with the crossover points and see if it sounds better at lower volume so you don't bottom out the mids.

Crossing the speakers lower if the speaker performs well and if he likes it.

 

[dieseldub02]

Seems like it sounds better crossed at 120 and the sub set at 63. My sub is rated at 800 rms and i have a hatchback, its pretty overwhelming when cranked up. Do you guys know of anyone that can do custom pods for the tweeters? i am very interested.

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

Crossing the speakers lower if the speaker performs well and if he likes it.

The speaker should play it just fine. Output may be lacking but it's not a missing octave.