6x9 Recommendations

[Soul_0309]

I would add that unless yo need to put components all around, there is really no need. Find the best 6x9 components where their impact on the midbass is significant, get the matching model coaxial for rear, ir even just the midwoofer half, really don't need to have tweeters behind you if you're going for sound quality and excellent staging up front.

First off, the ZF crossovers do not do the Pio's andy favors as the crossover circuit does not allow for any attenuation of the tweeter as the ZCH does allo for flat, -3 and -6 and better components make a big difference in the two. the ZCH has the far better crossovers and they make a big difference. The ZCH has the bigger 6.5" motor too, only the tweeters are the same. All the same, I'd opt for the 6x9's wherever you can put them, which means getting matching 6.5's if that is the case.

The NVX have great sound, that tweeter is from Germany and it's quite good, especially in that price range. I didn't see that you are in Qatar, that changes pricing quite a bit with somelines, like Xcelsus, Helix, Rainbow and other lines.. The Hertz are very good, but in that neck of the woods, might want to look at a few others too.

Something like these up front (assuming that you are purchasing from the likes of Amazon UAE)

https://www.amazon.ae/Infinity-Two-Way-Component-Speaker-System/dp/B0959S7RW1/ref=sr_1_2?crid=29M33DCNUUHMX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2O27iNyO4eduO7rAAg46QIcTX1zOjcODHwr5hLkV_NMQLoyEAhqj2e1GkQ-3mh0E2WDQww2MtqnQ90biU86DVRgCMMhS4zWEeodDYcGfY3BId2za4FFj7MpfcV3mVzDtv6Fr3iKK19k_k4_15QAUgoDh-KOCTH-Tf87Jg2v8Jz7_hcmPxR485ZFv0nsr7OUZKp9wU3_b6etRdJmthGBvEnCcNEhozSBB0yS1QS3C4kCU8rYT-0mB6LUzhyT3mwl6i_hta6Ul7oo-LdnBP5sgkGFQSyxCJwNGs8shzvByX4iSqN6cjy7hq2bBY7xuwmFp8MT3OgHecQKKmMzodoTW5uDvxHAdGIBKjgUFbEBrgBRHiG1HSpW9n9xXDz-zSUxOUT8anVPZhGJwGkCVcjgt-JH7MGQ7fM5s3i7NwSLD9Jz5JUpghhtznkpCf9fFh3bM.vdjNOjl6a2CAKKFUGrtK6433we28wWCQBIctFFax4Y0&dib_tag=se&keywords=infinity+kappa+component+speakersInfinity+PR96&qid=1740363460&sprefix=infinity+kappa+component+speakersinfinity+pr96%2Caps%2C369&sr=8-2

And these in the rear.

https://www.amazon.ae/Infinity-KAPPA-62ix-Car-Audio/dp/B075ZHJ683/ref=sr_1_13?crid=3FEVEKHSJN5L7&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.9o9ZXdtvOg6iOzheoDV9On4CtNdZ0ndYeOpYDIrnxs2L7XmtOcWbH5wkVLe0g2NYZvHr8AJcE9I-zUqjDo3yw0nuYeuUxgpzPxWCt_Jd-yNMpjvr61Yq4MmSMcEhuZNVzofqgzowhZhbr9AF10JNrdwtSUCGCMm46KuE13b1OzCeNOaUs8UIU2xN6LHWC4LpM5CcKsC5U-ZBL93zEcinGZDu4p5gxhPflzXvaqIr_W8Hr44_e_FRgHtUlxzoOj6_Y8qrt4PCvBTdxrWThPZazNAxSvuT8ZNsW_awKk8claViGc4TUCx2oROmrIx4nBAAgbX-SPiNsfDS8CiGxQqgNXVCxMVhgkAUY5FemdoPdPwWzUwyy72DwtqIi22Yy-J6DoPoy6t6_njTCA-9hn6e8M98oOkzvn_5vXUQN_K7uG3V_qSj1QeYE0ITBhD3jvrT.4x-9netdq8T0tUBogs_dJ-Y4HQhAkauin1ZpCF6rhOY&dib_tag=se&keywords=infinity+kappa+csx&qid=1740363568&sprefix=infinity+kappa+%2Caps%2C286&sr=8-13

Both are very good speakers, surprisingly clear but subtle, smooth and accurate.

In the price range of the hertz, I'd be checking out the Morel Tempo line too.

How are you planning on driving the speakers? Kind of a waste you're investing in these kinds of drivers unless you are providing some serious power and processing (optional but a serious upgrade for active systems) in the neighborhood of 100-150 per channel. Additionally, if you're only stationed in Qatar and are buying shipping to the US, that also changes things.

If you have the option to go fully active, that opens up a hole lot more options too. CDT is a fantastic option, price and quality wise if you don't need to account for the price for the additional crossovers you need for a passive setup.

yeah i do plan to install components for front and coaxial for rear. i already have a pioneer headunit and pioneer 5channel amplifier(dm-9705) which i think will give around 75rms to the 4 speakers. and i will get a 12" ported subwoofer to run on the 5th channel, which is why i am trying to justify to myself that getting the pioneer z65ch and z65f is ideal for me as we have a local authorized pioneer shop here. right now the only thing stopping me from getting the pioneers is the apparent harsh tweeters and 6.5inch size as i am not sure weather i should sacrifice the front stock 6x9 fitment that my toyota lc200 have.
and ya i live in qatar so options are very limited and its a hassle to ship items from outside.
but till now locally i was able to find hertz cento pro cpk 690 , infinity kappa 90csx , jbl stadium 960c

I didnt know much about morel as they are hard for me to arrange but by morel did you mean this model?

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_210TU6922/Morel-Tempo-Ultra-692-MKII.html

 

[Old_Slapper]

i am actually tempted to install this pioneer z65ch but my car has stock 6x9 openings for the front.and i am also a bit concerned about the apparent harsh sounding tweeters.
would u suggest i still go for these or go for some 6x9 components?

6x9 are actually not a good choice for door speakers. They require more air space to get bass and they are too big for clean mid to high frequencies. I would recommend looking into a 6.5" speaker with a soft dome tweeter. A titanium dome tweeter will give you that harsh high sound.

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

6x9 are actually not a good choice for door speakers. They require more air space to get bass and they are too big for clean mid to high frequencies. I would recommend looking into a 6.5" speaker with a soft dome tweeter. A titanium dome tweeter will give you that harsh high sound.

I think that is a bit of an oversimplification.

This truck door has nearly 1.25 cu ft of airspace so even if the OP was using this for bass (below 80hz)it would be sufficient if any of the drivers were optimized for that output, which most all 6x9's are not.

All the models listed here have decently low modeled EBP spec of 45 to 52 and their Qts are high at .6-.9 which points to them being geared to IB (door or package/parcel tray), and don't do well in enclosures, comparatively.

He's also combining these with the 6.5 coaxial versions from the same models. ALL the models he is considering are designed to reproduce midrange to around 5k so he will be fine.

Using a 6x9 is a great option as it picks up the 70-100hz bandwidth much better than a 6.5" as it is closer to an 8" driver. Additionally, the sets he is looking at with the metal domes, should he go that route are crossed at under 3k.

Having built and repaired a multitude of pro guitar and PA systems, 8" midrange drivers are pretty common. It's more about the driver itself as most any well designed midranges between 5 and 8 inches can do quite well up to around 8k.

I would agree that inexpensive metal domes on passive crossovers can seem harsh compared to inexpensive silk domes but metal domes as a whole, tuned correctly, can be just as smooth and are often more articulate than their silk counterparts.

The ZCH line the Pioneer offers have an alloy tweeter (to 96k) that provides a flat, -3db and -6db setting to compensate for their efficiency and percieved attenuation differences at 12k and 20k which can make many metal domes "ring" which is interpreted as "harsh" as it messes a bit with upper stage harmonics and creates ear fatigue.

In a dash, facing upwards, this can be an issue for some applications (passive versus active). Very good metal domes, tuned correctly, can exceed the accuracy and articulation of their silk counterparts.

All of this metal dome talk is still quite subjective. I'm using a Beryllium dome to cap off my wideband 3.7" Xcelsus units and they give the setup a unique sparkle at the top end, something the $500 Morel Accuflex domes lacked.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I skimmed back, but I didn't notice what vehicle these speakers are going into. Can you catch me up on that?

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

I skimmed back, but I didn't notice what vehicle these speakers are going into. Can you catch me up on that?

It's a Toyota LC200 which is a 200 series Toyota Land Cruiser. He's also buying and shipping from/to Qatar so his options are somewhat limited as he would like to look and possibly buy locally.

For some reason I was thinking 4runner so I understated the air volume which in the LC200 is between 1.5-2 cu ft. Pretty big doors.

It has a stock 6x9 OEM opening in the front doors.

 

[Old_Slapper]

It's a Toyota LC200 which is a 200 series Toyota Land Cruiser. He's also buying and shipping from/to Qatar so his options are somewhat limited as he would like to look and possibly buy locally.

For some reason I was thinking 4runner so I understated the air volume which in the LC200 is between 1.5-2 cu ft. Pretty big doors.

It has a stock 6x9 OEM opening in the front doors.

For some reason, I was thinking it was a car. Maybe I saw LC200 and was thinking it was an LS200

I currently run the NVX XSP65KIT 6.5 speakers in my son's Ranger. At first, we installed the XSP69KIT 6x9 speakers in the doors. The 6.5 speakers had more bass and sound a lot cleaner in the upper range. However, the Ranger doors are smaller than the LC200. In the past, I have done the same with the Dodge trucks. The 6.5 always had more bass and sounded cleaner than the 6x9's of the same price range. It is possible to have a 6x9 provide more bass, but I haven't seen a 6x9 sound cleaner than a 6.5 at the same price. On the other side, a 6x9 is much louder.

I guess, it depends on what sound is desired.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

6x9 are actually not a good choice for door speakers. They require more air space to get bass and they are too big for clean mid to high frequencies. I would recommend looking into a 6.5" speaker with a soft dome tweeter. A titanium dome tweeter will give you that harsh high sound.

Unless it's in an enclosed pod...a door has plenty of airspace for even something as big as a 10"

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

For some reason, I was thinking it was a car. Maybe I saw LC200 and was thinking it was an LS200

I currently run the NVX XSP65KIT 6.5 speakers in my son's Ranger. At first, we installed the XSP69KIT 6x9 speakers in the doors. The 6.5 speakers had more bass and sound a lot cleaner in the upper range. However, the Ranger doors are smaller than the LC200. In the past, I have done the same with the Dodge trucks. The 6.5 always had more bass and sounded cleaner than the 6x9's of the same price range. It is possible to have a 6x9 provide more bass, but I haven't seen a 6x9 sound cleaner than a 6.5 at the same price. On the other side, a 6x9 is much louder.

I guess, it depends on what sound is desired.

I think the crossover point on the "X" series is a bit higher too. They sound very good as well. That German made silk is exceptional for the price paid.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I just purchased a pair of PPI SC6.5 components for $46. I am excited to hear what they sound like.

 

[Old_Slapper]

I think the crossover point on the "X" series is a bit higher too. They sound very good as well. That German made silk is exceptional for the price paid.

They sound pretty good for the price. It really bothers me that they don't supply tweeter mounts. So when you mount them in a hole, you have to glue them to keep them from coming out, unless you drill a perfect 1-3/4 inch hole so they fit really tight.

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

They sound pretty good for the price. It really bothers me that they don't supply tweeter mounts. So when you mount them in a hole, you have to glue them to keep them from coming out, unless you drill a perfect 1-3/4 inch hole so they fit really tight.

Agreed, kind of a pain in the ***.

 

[2RZ-FE 10+ year member]

They sound pretty good for the price. It really bothers me that they don't supply tweeter mounts. So when you mount them in a hole, you have to glue them to keep them from coming out, unless you drill a perfect 1-3/4 inch hole so they fit really tight.

Mine are 2 inch holes. Run some electrical tape or something around the tweeter housing enough to make it fit snug or couple strips of duct tape on the backside taped to the back of the door panel.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Mine are 2 inch holes. Run some electrical tape or something around the tweeter housing enough to make it fit snug or couple strips of duct tape on the backside taped to the back of the door panel.

I usually use a thin layer of hot glue on the side of the tweeter and back of the panel. it's easy to remove if needed.

 

[2RZ-FE 10+ year member]

The reason I didn’t go with the X series and went with the V was because the former doesn’t have a tweeter adjustment in the passive crossover. My tweeters are mounted on the upper part of the door near the sail panels so I prefer a -3DB option since they are closer to my ears, than the mids. If you’re active, you don’t have more options

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

The reason I didn’t go with the X series and went with the V was because the former doesn’t have a tweeter adjustment in the passive crossover. My tweeters are mounted on the upper part of the door near the sail panels so I prefer a -3DB option since they are closer to my ears, than the mids. If you’re active, you don’t have more options

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"X" series is adjustable-

As are the "V" series-

And if you're active, you are using an electronic/active crossover on the amp or DSP/EQ/Crossover and will have much greater control versus passive.