Dacia Logan 3 - speaker recommendation

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Hey,
I’m choosing new speakers for my Dacia Logan III (2021) powered by a PUZU PZ-D8 DSP amp (4×80W RMS). I mainly listen to rock, metal, sometimes classical and electronic. Sound quality is my top priority, I want a natural, detailed sound without harsh highs. I’m also wondering if it’s even worth installing rear speakers, as I mostly drive alone. Would the rear speakers noticeably improve the soundstage in this case? Should the rear speakers be from the same set/brand as the front, or is it fine to mix different brands/models?
Budget: around ~$275 for front components, and ~$160 for rear coaxials.
Here’s what I’m considering:

1. Helix PF Set
   Front: Helix PF K165.2 ~$220
   Rear: Helix PF C165.2 ~$110
   Total: ~$330
2. Helix CB Set
   Front: Helix CB K165.2-S3 ~$245
   Rear: Helix CB C165.2 ~$135
   Total: ~$380
3. Hertz CK Set
   Front: Hertz CK-165 ~$165
   Rear: Hertz CX-165 ~$110
   Total: ~$275
4. Hertz CPK Set
   Front: Hertz CPK-165 ~$275
   Rear: Hertz CPX-165 ~$165
   Total: ~$440
5. Focal PS Polyglass Set
   Front: Focal PS165 V1 LE ~$205
   Rear: Focal PC165 LE ~$145
   Total: ~$350
6. Focal PS Slatefiber Set
   Front: Focal PS165 SF ~$235
   Rear: Focal PC165 SF ~$275
   Total: ~$510

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Hey,
I’m choosing new speakers for my Dacia Logan III (2021) powered by a PUZU PZ-D8 DSP amp (4×80W RMS). I mainly listen to rock, metal, sometimes classical and electronic. Sound quality is my top priority, I want a natural, detailed sound without harsh highs. I’m also wondering if it’s even worth installing rear speakers, as I mostly drive alone. Would the rear speakers noticeably improve the soundstage in this case? Should the rear speakers be from the same set/brand as the front, or is it fine to mix different brands/models?
Budget: around ~$275 for front components, and ~$160 for rear coaxials.
Here’s what I’m considering:

1. Helix PF Set
   Front: Helix PF K165.2 ~$220
   Rear: Helix PF C165.2 ~$110
   Total: ~$330
2. Helix CB Set
   Front: Helix CB K165.2-S3 ~$245
   Rear: Helix CB C165.2 ~$135
   Total: ~$380
3. Hertz CK Set
   Front: Hertz CK-165 ~$165
   Rear: Hertz CX-165 ~$110
   Total: ~$275
4. Hertz CPK Set
   Front: Hertz CPK-165 ~$275
   Rear: Hertz CPX-165 ~$165
   Total: ~$440
5. Focal PS Polyglass Set
   Front: Focal PS165 V1 LE ~$205
   Rear: Focal PC165 LE ~$145
   Total: ~$350
6. Focal PS Slatefiber Set
   Front: Focal PS165 SF ~$235
   Rear: Focal PC165 SF ~$275
   Total: ~$510

Here are some insights regarding your choice of speakers and installation concerns:

1. **Speaker Selection**:
- **Helix PF and CB Sets** are both solid choices but can be on the higher end of your budget. They generally deliver good details and are well-regarded for various genres, providing natural sound.
- **Hertz CK Set** is an excellent value option, offering good sound quality while being within your budget. Since sound quality is your priority, this set may be a great compromise between price and performance.
- **Focal PS and Slatefiber Sets** are known for their clarity and detail, especially in rock and electronic music, but they are on the higher side of your budget range.

2. **Rear Speakers**:
- Installing rear speakers can enhance the soundstage, but if you predominantly drive alone, you may not notice a significant improvement. If you choose the rear speakers, they should ideally match the front ones (same brand and series) to maintain tonal consistency. However, if you prefer to mix, ensure that the rear speakers complement the front ones without clashing in terms of sound profile.

3. **Mixing Brands**:
- If you do decide to mix brands/models, keep in mind that differences in sound signature between brands can lead to a less cohesive audio experience, especially in rear fill technology, where coherence is critical. It’s generally advisable to stick with the same brand for a more uniform sound.

4. **Recommendation**:
- Considering your budget and sound quality priorities, the **Hertz CK Set** for the front and potentially the **Hertz CX-165 for the rear** could be a balanced solution. You would have good sound quality, and it fits within your budget for a system that can satisfy your listening preferences.

In conclusion, weigh your desire for a more immersive sound experience with rear speakers against your typical driving habits. If solo driving is common, you might prioritize quality front speakers without rear installation for a cleaner setup.

 

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Hey,
I’m choosing new speakers for my Dacia Logan III (2021) powered by a PUZU PZ-D8 DSP amp (4×80W RMS). I mainly listen to rock, metal, sometimes classical and electronic. Sound quality is my top priority, I want a natural, detailed sound without harsh highs. I’m also wondering if it’s even worth installing rear speakers, as I mostly drive alone. Would the rear speakers noticeably improve the soundstage in this case? Should the rear speakers be from the same set/brand as the front, or is it fine to mix different brands/models?
Budget: around ~$275 for front components, and ~$160 for rear coaxials.
Here’s what I’m considering:

1. Helix PF Set
   Front: Helix PF K165.2 ~$220
   Rear: Helix PF C165.2 ~$110
   Total: ~$330
2. Helix CB Set
   Front: Helix CB K165.2-S3 ~$245
   Rear: Helix CB C165.2 ~$135
   Total: ~$380
3. Hertz CK Set
   Front: Hertz CK-165 ~$165
   Rear: Hertz CX-165 ~$110
   Total: ~$275
4. Hertz CPK Set
   Front: Hertz CPK-165 ~$275
   Rear: Hertz CPX-165 ~$165
   Total: ~$440
5. Focal PS Polyglass Set
   Front: Focal PS165 V1 LE ~$205
   Rear: Focal PC165 LE ~$145
   Total: ~$350
6. Focal PS Slatefiber Set
   Front: Focal PS165 SF ~$235
   Rear: Focal PC165 SF ~$275
   Total: ~$510

You should go listen to the three different brands. You have chosen what's "available" in a given price range, not sound signature.

I'm not a fan of Teflon (Hertz/polyester material) dome tweeters; in soft dome tweeters, prerfer silk. The polyester is a bit more abrasive than silk, not as accurate in my opinion, but is more treble-forward.

Then you take the Focal, inverted alloy tweeters (aluminum/titanium), and that dome is considerably different in timbre than the other two.

Since you're using a DSP, the harshness often attributed to metal domes can be corrected. That harshness is actually the tweeter breakup that happens on ALL tweeters, usually around 18k.

And just because you probably can't hear that high, it affects how you interpret multi-stage harmonics, and is the cause of listener fatigue. Using the DSP to correct \that anomaly would give the accuracy edge to the Focal drivers.

AS for rear fill, it's fill, not stage, and not part of the front stage at all. For best results in your front stage, consider forgoing the rear fill, spending the difference on additional amplification and a good 2 or 3-way from, no passive crossovers, and separate amplification for the front stage, each channel on its own amplified channel, electronically (actively) using the DFSP.

This would be your best-case scenario for creating a dynamic sounding front stage.