why that was nice

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

it's interesting because unlike Toyota and nissan they stuck with their brand name and didnt create a new brand when they entered the luxury market.

 

[BloodyGuts335i 10+ year member]

on a car like that.. all you need is some tint on the windows and better rims and thats it!!!

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

That is the truth.

sure it is. especially if you're a liberal. it's funny how the people who voted for the community organizer are trying to discredit community organizers.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif what's even funnier is the fact that they are blind to the fact that the left invented this tactic.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Then tell me this....why is someone of your utmost intelligence wasting your time on a car audio forum?? Maybe it's because it makes you feel more intelligent being around us morons? Or is it because you're making up for having a small wee wee.??

I don't see how this comment has meaning outside of an ad hominem strike at my "pee pee" size.

Reguarless, Car audio is a big hobby of mine. However, the subject is truly much more advanced than 95% of this forum understand (including me.)

Other than that, this forum is simply a mentally stimulating way to kill time.

I'm claiming you're stupid for deeming it irrelevant to the current conversation. They never claimed causation which you ought to know is an unrealistic standard for this subject.

To dismiss the possibility as irrelevant without any further examination because this single study didn't prove causation is as foolhardy as believing it proves causation.

Confirmation bias VS not understanding causation...

I make no claims regarding the issue, just pointing out your mistake.

It's relevant to discussion in that it is on the topic. But in no way does it clearly enough indicate that medical reform is favorable or needed. That's why I deem it irrelevant.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea of affordable health care for all.

My opinion is that it will not work with the American economy and culture.... but I wish it could.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

it'll work like it has everywhere else. we have history to go off of, but that doesn't seem to make a difference in america. we're hoping that the result will be different, which it won't.

 

[eharri3 10+ year member]

Juan works and pays taxes under someone else's SS #

Not quite. He obtains fraudulent paperwork with someone else's social security number so he has one to put on his employment paperwork. Those taxes don't get paid. The only distinction to be made is sometimes they may be taken out of his check and pocketed by his employer since he's paid under the table. Much of the time they aren't taken out at all.

 

[Annnarbor84 5,000+ posts]

Cool story brah, u seem mad

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Cool story brah, u seem mad

or stupid?

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Juan is an immigrant. He arrives in America and immediately begins looking for employment. Before finding a job, he must secure food, clothing, and shelter. He may do so from funds brought with him from his native country, or he may depend upon the kindness of family, friends, or charitable organizations here in the United States. In either case, because such transfers are voluntary, no American is harmed.
If Juan resorts to theft, however, the story is different. Some Americans are indeed harmed. But criminal law is the appropriate tool for dealing with such thievery. Restricting immigration on the grounds that a handful of immigrants behave criminally would be like denying drivers licenses to everyone just because a small percentage of people drive recklessly. More focused and less ham-fisted means are available in both cases for weeding out the bad apples from the good.

Juan, however, is no thief. He’s a worker. Suppose that Juan has no skills of any value to any American. He can do nothing that any American is willing to pay for. In this case, Juan will eventually return home. No American is harmed. (Actually, Juan would probably not come to America in the first place. People so destitute of skills are unlikely to leave home in search of work in a foreign and highly competitive economy.)

But Juan is extremely unlikely to lack any skill for which Americans are willing to pay some mutually agreeable wage. Readers who doubt this claim should consult that cornerstone of economics called the theory of comparative advantage—a theory, by the way, that exposes the senselessness of identifying people economically as being "above average" or "below average." The theory of comparative advantage makes clear that everyone is above average at some tasks and below average at many others.

When Juan finds employment, not only is Juan made better off, but so, too, is his employer. Consumers are also made better off, for the higher output or lower cost that Juan’s availability makes possible for his employer is shared with consumers through reduced prices or improved product quality. Nothing to complain of so far.

Some people, however, are harmed by Juan’s availability—namely, American workers who compete with Juan. If Juan’s most marketable skill is nearly identical to the most marketable skill possessed by Sam the American, Juan is a potential rival for Sam’s job. Because of Juan, Sam’s income may fall.

Protecting Sam from income loss, though, is inappropriate. To prevent Juan from entering America is to do nothing more virtuous than to protect Sam from competition. But it is also to prevent George and Bill and other Americans from freely dealing with Juan, who is someone they would otherwise choose to deal with! To restrict immigration is to deny to Americans their freedom of association. Sam, then, becomes a monopolist under immigration restrictions. If Sam suffers income loss when these restrictions are lifted, he is no more worthy of our solicitude than is any other monopolist whose monopoly privilege unravels.

Immigration opponents also fear that open immigration means overcrowding. This worry is overblown. First, the United States is sparsely populated. Second, owners of private property have incentives to keep their properties from being overcrowded. The proper solution to overcrowding is privatizing those property holdings not yet privatized, not forcibly stopping productive people from coming to our country.

Manhattan is one of the most densely populated spots on earth. Yet it is also one of the wealthiest. New Yorkers often complain of crowds, but no one is compelled to live in that city. The reason people live there is because economic opportunity in New York is vast. Living in close contact with lots of people is a price that many of us voluntarily pay for the opportunity to take advantage of the wealth-producing capacities of an extensive division of labor.

New York and Los Angeles are crowded but wealthy. Oklahoma and Mississippi are sparsely populated but much poorer. This fact alone is ample evidence of the great economic benefits of immigration.

This is full of fail.

The problem is not legal immigrants or those who want to come here and contribute to society and the American economy.

The problem is that Because the American dollar is worth Much more in mexico, (http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13055650) Immigrants come to the US to be guaranteed an income, even at minimum wage to support an entire family in Mexico. When that money is emptied out of the US economy and dumped into the Mexican economy. Ours weakens, theirs strengthens.

 

[armitank]

i just burped

 

[csu87 10+ year member]

juan the immigrant....

should be deported

/thread

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Juan stole my iPod and MJ18.

Deport his ***.

True story. Over the past couple years, nearby apartment complexes have been overrun with illegals. Subsequently, they have started going to wealthy neighborhoods in the vicinity, breaking into cars and stealing valuables. Crime rates have skyrocketed as well.

 

[Annnarbor84 5,000+ posts]

If anyone is interested we escorted an illegal off the installation I work at about a week ago. We called ICE and they were not interested in just 1. So we took him to the local gas station a block away and kicked him loose....

Why in the fuck would you try to work on an Army post and be illegal:crazy:

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Not quite. He obtains fraudulent paperwork with someone else's social security number so he has one to put on his employment paperwork. Those taxes don't get paid. The only distinction to be made is sometimes they may be taken out of his check and pocketed by his employer since he's paid under the table. Much of the time they aren't taken out at all.

then later on, the person who owns that ss # has to go through a bunch of BS hoops to prove they didn't work in 3 meat packing plants in 3 different states. if i stole a ss #, i'd be in federal prison.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

A cook at on the border where I used to work named juan had been arrested and deported for drunk driving 3 times. He is back again, still cookin burritos.