why that was nice

[SomeGuyDude 10+ year member]

its crazy how people think that they're paying for someone else's health care with the new proposal, do people not realize that unless you are in the TOP 2% EARNING INCOME POPULATION YOU WILL NOT HAVE ANY INCREASE IN TAXES, and those who are the taxes are still less than when they were in the reagan era!!!!

Yeah, because what we're discussing isn't even single-payer health care. It's a public options, which is WAY different. Basically means setting up a tax-funded insurance company, as opposed to socializing medicine.

But let's even say the proposal WAS universal health care a la Canada or France. Sure that'd make your taxes go up, but that would be MORE than off-set by the fact that the chunk of your money normally going toward your private insurance (be it deducted from your paycheck or something you pay monthly). Your taxes might go up $1000 but you'd be keeping about $2300 that normally went toward insurance.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Truth is the US goverment has no buisness in the private sector period.

Why not?

It seems to me they have lots of valid reasons to influence the private sector.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Yeah, because what we're discussing isn't even single-payer health care. It's a public options, which is WAY different. Basically means setting up a tax-funded insurance company, as opposed to socializing medicine.
But let's even say the proposal WAS universal health care a la Canada or France. Sure that'd make your taxes go up, but that would be MORE than off-set by the fact that the chunk of your money normally going toward your private insurance (be it deducted from your paycheck or something you pay monthly). Your taxes might go up $1000 but you'd be keeping about $2300 that normally went toward insurance.

So whats wrong with a public option?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

welfare or any gov support = drug test

That would be a good start. If you want to do drugs go get a job and support your own drug habit.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

fuck it, I say all smart people move to canada. that way, the rest of the fucking idiots who dont support this can stay here and die of leukemia.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

welfare or any gov support = drug test
That would be a good start. If you want to do drugs go get a job and support your own drug habit.

What about the people with severe mental health issues.. like schizophrenia.. and a comorbid drug addiction diagnosis?

Should they starve to death?

 

[SomeGuyDude 10+ year member]

So whats wrong with a public option?

It's an attempt to make both sides happy but not satisfying either. The right's mad that it's governmental health care, the left's mad that it doesn't actually fix the inherent problem of insurance-based health care.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

It's an attempt to make both sides happy but not satisfying either. The right's mad that it's governmental health care, the left's mad that it doesn't actually fix the inherent problem of insurance-based health care.

What's the inherent problem of insurance based health care that a public option wouldn't address?

 

[zthumper 10+ year member]

People with conditions like those could have family take care of them...if they do not have family willing to take care of them then they are of no use to our society

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

So who is going to decide? You cant just agree its a difficult question and then ignore it. You are the one who wants to let people starve to death so you should have a plan to decide who lives and who dies under your idea.

I never said I want people to starve to death. If people starve to death its their own fault. Not mine. If people were given an incentive to get off their ***, like the threat of starving to death, they would probably do something about it.

If it were going to be handled by the taxpayers, it would have to be handled by a government agency.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

ya know, medicare works just fine. its socialized healthcare you're already paying for...

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

I'm curious, how would you handle those who choose not to work?

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

I'm curious, how would you handle those who choose not to work?

oh, you mean half of the people on social security medical benefits?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

What about the people with severe mental health issues.. like schizophrenia.. and a comorbid drug addiction diagnosis?
Should they starve to death?

if drugs > food in that person's mind, let em starve with a good buzz goin

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

OP, Your data is flawed and biased. There is nothing in that data that requires medical expenses to be the sole contributing factor to the bankruptcies.

Only that about half of the people who went bankrupt had incurred medical expenses covering 10% of their income.

Who is to say that half of the american population does not also incur expenses of this magnitude?

The data ONLY shows that medical expenses were a contributing factor to a large number of bankruptcies. Well that's wonderful, but so were double cheesburgers and cup-o-noodles.

That is why your data is flawed, it presents results and draws an irrelevant conclusion from them.

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