why that was nice

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

hey look at the pictures again.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

The arguments here are incredibly retarded.

Are there any climate scientists claiming that, for example, solar activity never changes? No, that's a straw-man argument.

Is it better to drive big vehicles than small vehicles, so as to save yourself in a crash? Odd that the solution isn't about better structural engineering, or changing driving habits to reduce accidents; no, instead we should make bigger and bigger vehicles that are capable of inflicting more and more damage when they do get into a collision. Seriously?

Humans account for a fraction of 1% of global warming. What does that actually mean? Is this another false red herring about volcanoes?

 

[tEh ShOcKeR]

agreed.

Have you ever tasted a bullet?

 

[tEh ShOcKeR]

Jesus kissed men in their mouths. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[powerstroker 10+ year member]

The arguments here are incredibly retarded.
Are there any climate scientists claiming that, for example, solar activity never changes? No, that's a straw-man argument.

Is it better to drive big vehicles than small vehicles, so as to save yourself I

n a crash? Odd that the solution isn't about better structural engineering, or changing driving habits to reduce accidents; no, instead we should make bigger and bigger vehicles that are capable of inflicting more and more damage when they do get into a collision. Seriously?

Humans account for a fraction of 1% of global warming. What does that actua

lly mean? Is this another false red herring about volcanoes?

Maybe the solution is to make every car more structurally sound. However, I'm not an engineer or auto maker so car design is not my area of expertise. Even if there were breakthroughs in material structure, we would not see them until the govt found a way to get their dirty hands in the mix.

Better my driving habits? Lol. I could go to driving classes every other day and still not be able to predict the actions of a drunk or a teen joyrider that crosses the center stripe. Common sense would say that being in the bigger, safer vehicle makes sense.

Until I get my engineering degree, and we all hold hands and skip down to the DMV for "better drivers class" I will stay away from driving a tin can with a license plate.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Maybe the solution is to make every car more structurally sound. However, I'm not an engineer or auto maker so car design is not my area of expertise. Even if there were breakthroughs in material structure, we would not see them until the govt found a way to get their dirty hands in the mix.

That is simply not true. There are plenty of innovations that were founded and carried out strictly through private enterprise.

Better my driving habits? Lol. I could go to driving classes every other day and still not be able to predict the actions of a drunk or a teen joyrider that crosses the center stripe. Common sense would say that being in the bigger, safer vehicle makes sense.

I notice you took my suggestions and limited them to an individual, rather than to the collective. The very nature of change is such that some must commit to improvement in order to drag the rest along. Instead, you are escalating the problem.

 

[SRim23 5,000+ posts]

So, that says that if a smart car collides with another "death trap car" of equal size, it will do pretty well. I will keep that in mind if I ever ride a go-kart through the streets of D.C.
How about this article? From the NY Times of all people. We all know they are B.O. nuthuggers and they even know better than to try and tell us that those little plastic cars are safe.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/small-cars-rate-poorly-in-new-crash-tests/

Not so wrong after all.

Barry can keep his hybrid death traps. With the sheer amount of vehicles on the highways and the idiots behind the wheels of them, I will keep my Expedition and F-250. When the dust settles after a head on with a Prius, my wife and kids will walk away from it. At least that little box car can double as a casket for the dummy driving it. It's sad that the hippies and our politicians with hidden agendas care more about some UNPROVEN global warming hoopla than they do the safety of the American people.

i have to say i did see a smart car get into an accident right in front of me. a mini van going roughly 35-45 mph t-boned it. though the smart car was completely totaled ( entire side smashed in, 2 of the tires broke off) the woman came out of the car completely fine. didnt look to be injured at all. opened up the other car door and walked right out. now whos to say if the smart car had flipped, what would of happened, but it was a pretty serious accident and she was just fine.

in my 05 civic (my mom calls a death trap because she wont drive anything smaller than an early 90's cadillac) i got rear ended last week by a girl doing about 35 ish and even though it sounded horrible, you can barely tell anything was wrong. theres a scratch on my bumper and thats it.

 

[powerstroker 10+ year member]

That is simply not true. There are plenty of innovations that were founded and carried out strictly through private enterprise.


I notice you took my suggestions and limited them to an individual, rather than to the collective. The very nature of change is such that some must commit to improvement in order to drag the rest along. Instead, you are escalating the problem.

I'm sure that none of the private enterprise breakthroughs came along with the influence of lobbyists, but that's a different argument.

As for the driving habits and a collective effort for change, there are millions spent on safe driving programs at the state level per year, but human nature will always be involved and I cannot predict what other drivers will do.

That's good thinking though. Count on the inept government to teach us to drive better and we can all be safe in hot wheels cars.

 

[powerstroker 10+ year member]

i have to say i did see a smart car get into an accident right in front of me. a mini van going roughly 35-45 mph t-boned it. though the smart car was completely totaled ( entire side smashed in, 2 of the tires broke off) the woman came out of the car completely fine. didnt look to be injured at all. opened up the other car door and walked right out. now whos to say if the smart car had flipped, what would of happened, but it was a pretty serious accident and she was just fine.
in my 05 civic (my mom calls a death trap because she wont drive anything smaller than an early 90's cadillac) i got rear ended last week by a girl doing about 35 ish and even though it sounded horrible, you can barely tell anything was wrong. theres a scratch on my bumper and thats it.

Ok

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I'm sure that none of the private enterprise breakthroughs came along with the influence of lobbyists, but that's a different argument.
As for the driving habits and a collective effort for change, there are millions spent on safe driving programs at the state level per year, but human nature will always be involved and I cannot predict what other drivers will do.

That's good thinking though. Count on the inept government to teach us to drive better and we can all be safe in hot wheels cars.

Another straw man argument. Where have I argued that government should teach us how to drive? Here is an example I would prefer, just to show how grossly you mischaracterize my position: all licenses are acquired through testing among licensed private businesses; all drivers must have insurance through private businesses; private insurance industry penalizes those with poor safety records; the individual, wanting to have affordable insurance, also wants to avoid accidents, so they take their lessons (and acquire their licenses) from the companies who have a demonstrably lower accident rate among their graduates. Certainly this requires responsibility on the part of the individual, and though we can argue that some will not act responsibly, we will not get anywhere unless people understand that driving is not a right and that the freedom to drive also carries extraordinary responsibility. I believe in the opposite of a nanny government, but feel free to try again.

Look at your own argument: how will we ever achieve safety if our only approach to improving it is "drive bigger vehicles?" The result of that is a large vehicle arms race, which not only fails to address the root cause of damage resulting from vehicles, but also is inefficient in many respects.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

i'm all for a large vehicle arms race. They should start making the excursion again.

 

[Captain_Ahab 5,000+ posts]

Not reading.

 

[Mike465 10+ year member]

Jesus kissed men in their mouths. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

And then he blew them. FYI

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Not reading.

i saw 5 deer just driving today.

i hate deer.

I want to get a cattle guard for jeep so i can hunt them with it.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

The arguments here are incredibly retarded.
Are there any climate scientists claiming that, for example, solar activity never changes? No, that's a straw-man argument.

Is it better to drive big vehicles than small vehicles, so as to save yourself in a crash? Odd that the solution isn't about better structural engineering, or changing driving habits to reduce accidents; no, instead we should make bigger and bigger vehicles that are capable of inflicting more and more damage when they do get into a collision. Seriously?

Humans account for a fraction of 1% of global warming. What does that actually mean? Is this another false red herring about volcanoes?

what's so hard to understand about humans causing a fraction of 1% of global warming? it isn't your business what kind of car i drive, as long as it's road safe. so what are you saying? that man causes a significant amount of global warming? oh. sorry. it's "climate change" now, just in case people figure out that global warming can't be controlled by us one way or another. the volcano comment is confusing. do volcanoes spit out tons of carbon or something?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif