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[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

you start this thread then call someone a racist for expressing their opinion? ok, now i need to go make some coffee WITH cream. it tastes HORRIBLE black.

youve been faulked //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

The tools, yes....as I would bet white people allocate funding differently that blacks...I would say if I handed out $10,000 to blacks and whites on the same community, they would spend it differently, but could be categorized based on race. This is one of the reasons I want to be rich....so I can provide opportunities for social mobilization to see who's fault it really is.
The guidance...I am more iffy about. From what I have witnessed, blacks are have much tighter family alliances than whites. I have cousins I have never seen and never will see don't live 50 miles away. I don't have beef with them, I just don't see any value in meeting them other than social networking to find a job. From various comedians, it seems as if black grandmothers have tons of guidance to pass down and are far more influential than white grandmothers. This is all anecdotal evidence, but to say blacks are not given proper guidance...I don't think so. They have not been given proper guidance on being successful on the SAT (probably because they didn't take it)...but the opportunities are out there. I just find it so hard to understand a situtation where I couldn't learn. I have been incarcerated. They let you have books there...not good books (most of them are faith based), but they do let you read....

Maybe I am so insulated by my own drive and determination I don't consider how someone with slighly less motivation would be less likely to succeed. I know I am rambiling, but maybe more or less thinking on paper....

Say I was a mediocre white kid...my parents would care and there still are people trying to push me along to go to school, learn a trade, etc.

Now say I was a medicore black kid....parents may not be as aware of opportunites for mediocre children and I fall through the cracks?

Is this what is happening? I don't know....in AP classes there are white and blacks and they didn't seem to be held back because they where black...they had access to everything I had access and took advantage of all the resources I did. Some had parents who went to college so they didn't have to be pioneers.

I just want some clarification....as I obviously don't understand....my initial conclusion is racist...that the "common" black community does not value education, they value materialism. But I feel the same way about the "common" white community. Truth be told, I don't care what color idiot flips my fries.

x2 on the fries thing. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

But really though, and I'm just thinking on paper as well here, I think it's not a matter of drive so much as social learning. Whites have a lot different of an environment peddled to them as 'normal' than blacks. When I say environment I mean mostly media-driven cultural definitions.

Like it or not that's how mainstreams are shaped in modern times. The media tends to address black youth in a pandering, coddling tone, or no tone at all. Black figures featured in major media are LARGELY complete fools.

It seems to me that its the media that shapes the culture, which produces people, who also produce people, who are also shaped further by the media, and so on and so on until you have a race of people with a very distorted racial identity.

So this leaves them a) much poorer on the whole than whites and b) brainwashed about whats normal and acceptable in modern life.

I think the media took the original black ideas of family unity, etc, and combined it with rampant consumerism and culture-shaping marketing. To illustrate, look at the young black community--quite possibly the most consumeristic group of people in our society, despite being one of the poorest.

That didn't happen by accident.

...just some more thoughts for the void.

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

No , your wrong, you don't know anything about me but your judging me by a pic I have up of a firearm that I own.
When did I ever profess to be "Gangsta" , I have not been on this forum long, but check my post's, I never mentioned I was gangsta.

That pistol is one of many in a small collection I own, just like the small collection of car audio stuff I have.

That pistol, is also 100% legaly owned! Registered to my name, last I checked "Gangsta's don't register their firearms.

I have never "Popped a cap" in any ***, wether it be white or black. I really can't understand how you can judge me off the pic I chose to use as my avatar??

Also I agree with him on this. How many random white dudes have their guns in their avatars? I think you are paranoid of that stereotype but by forcing people to be different than how they want to be you are making them "different", which is debateably the opposite of what you are trying to do with defaming stereotyping.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Also I agree with him on this. How many random white dudes have their guns in their avatars? I think you are paranoid of that stereotype but by forcing people to be different than how they want to be you are making them "different", which is debateably the opposite of what you are trying to do with defaming stereotyping.

Um... alot? Plenty of rednecks with gun avatars //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

That's my point though. There are plenty of people with gun avatars on this and any forum. Nobody considers their racial identity a relevant aspect of that, but MW called out this guy for something normally taken at face value in the CONTEXT of his BLACKNESS.

Thereby singling out someone based on race.

Which I found ironic.

 

[Zeptoplix 10+ year member]

Why not just go burn a cross in some black families lawn you racist.

we're trying to have a serious discussion; please don't peddle your racist propaganda here.

Are you for real? You do not know what you want.

And comparing the intelligence of white people in the western world with black people in the developing world is an extremely slanted argument. Education is not as easy to come by in Africa as it is in America, so lets at least be reasonable, white people probably are smarter in that sense, but who cares... Black or white, Asian or Egyptian, everyone has morons, murderers, rapists, and liars. It doesn't matter who has them, or how many one "race" has. People aren't perfect, and neither are you. Lots of smart black people, lots of stupid white people. Who cares.

 

[benzmansl65amg 10+ year member]

I dont like faulkton because he is a socialist liberal but there is no need to be racist guys

 

[MorningWood]

That's my point though. There are plenty of people with gun avatars on this and any forum. Nobody considers their racial identity a relevant aspect of that, but MW called out this guy for something normally taken at face value in the CONTEXT of his BLACKNESS.
Thereby singling out someone based on race.

Which I found ironic.

I am trying to caution my brother about the disparate treatment he can anticipate on this forum that results from blatant racism as well as the vestiges of racism.

I would appreciate it if you do did not try to confuse the issue in the hopes of promoting a white agenda.

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

I am trying to caution my brother about the disparate treatment he can anticipate on this forum that results from blatant racism as well as the vestiges of racism.
I would appreciate it if you do did not try to confuse the issue in the hopes of promoting a white agenda.

There you go again, confusing things which objectively have no 'agenda' because you see things through your own super-focused viewpoint.

My point was that by addressing something objective, like an interest in firearms, and talking down to him BECAUSE HES BLACK, regardless of your intention you are basically perpetuating the problem you intend to solve.

You are categorizing someone, in this case, an interest in guns, which many people of all races share, and condemning his interests because you see him not as a man with an interest in guns but as a black man who shouldn't be interested in guns. What does race have to do with guns unless you're racist?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

And for christ's sake, a "white agenda"?! If you read any of my posts you would know that you are again MISJUDGING based on incorrectly assigned stereotypes.

And I don't want to be "that guy" but one of my best friends of over 10 years is black.

 

[staypuff 10+ year member]

Nature vs. nurture, I would like to know under what paramaters or guidelines this conclusion is based on. I'm black, haven't had all the oppourtunities as others but on the same token, I have had more than alot of others, and I have an IQ of 131 where the average is I believe 80-90. So I dont know what inherit jean differnece could corrolate with his findings. Thats almost like saying, asians are smarter that White's. I think Nurture has a greater influence on intelligence than nature IMO

YOU HAVE A 131 IQ YET YOU CAN'T ****ING SPELL OR USE PROPER GRAMMAR.....

I've seen people with borderline mentally retarded IQ's use better spelling and sentence structure as you.... if you plan on coming onto a forum and spouting shit that you are intelligent you should really really think about showing it.....

now that I called your bullshit bluff on the fact that you're intelligent I bet you lied about being black as well..... will the wonders of the internet never cease.....

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

There you go again, confusing things which objectively have no 'agenda' because you see things through your own super-focused viewpoint.
My point was that by addressing something objective, like an interest in firearms, and talking down to him BECAUSE HES BLACK, regardless of your intention you are basically perpetuating the problem you intend to solve.

You are categorizing someone, in this case, an interest in guns, which many people of all races share, and condemning his interests because you see him not as a man with an interest in guns but as a black man who shouldn't be interested in guns. What does race have to do with guns unless you're racist?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

And for christ's sake, a "white agenda"?! If you read any of my posts you would know that you are again MISJUDGING based on incorrectly assigned stereotypes.

And I don't want to be "that guy" but one of my best friends of over 10 years is black.

werd

 

[sdmtnbiker420 10+ year member]

Big deal....

The pulitzer prize winning book, "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond, explains why some cultures are more successful than others. It thoroughly and clearly explains why some Africans are dancing around fires and eating bugs today, and 1000 years ago in western Europe, there were kingdoms, medieval communes, city life, universities, etc.

Some might call it "racist". If you really read the book, you will know that it is truth.

It is a very interesting book.

It also explains why keyboards are so random, QWERTYUIOP?? Want to know why it's like that? You wouldn't believe it.

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

It also explains why keyboards are so random, QWERTYUIOP?? Want to know why it's like that? You wouldn't believe it.

So that when typists had typewriters the arms wouldn't get stuck together from people typing too fast!

amirite?

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY