why that was nice

[docutech 10+ year member]

Bush is a joke, no doubt.

Imagine how people who spent many years in prison for being falsely convicted of crimes they did not commit feel right about now...

A jury passed a guilty verdict on this dude for obstruction of justice Dayum thats some BS. A Hitler salute is in order G-Dubya! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/verymad.gif.3f39c5c2fd57527b671fad3efdfac756.gif

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

I guess you don't know my actual views on the subject. Most of the comments were written in jest. Faulkton knew it. That is why he didn't argue. I thought from that context, you would have known it was a joke.
In all honest though, it really doesn't matter. If he gets free or someone puts a bullet in his head, his impact on my life in minimal.

Nevermind. I just went round and round in another thread about sarcasm and I don't have the energy to go through it again.

 

[slick rick 10+ year member]

he he he
http://www.northwestern.edu/ipr/publications/papers/2006/wp0605.pdf

I bet 7/10 forum members couldn't comprehend it.

23% of statistics are made up...thats a fact yo! That article gave me bad memories of my research methods class in undergrad.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

7 out of 10 Americans don't know when the 4th of July is...don't bank on a jury in this "great" CJ system making the right decision. On that note, this pardon is a joke, and so is our current president.

this wasn't a pardon. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[slick rick 10+ year member]

this wasn't a pardon. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

to be PC no...but he got off free because of executive powers.

 

[pilyin 10+ year member]

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

Dang! Was that president a coke dealer himself? That's a lot of coke dealers set free....

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm
Check that list out. Look at the very first one.

I'd put money in the fact that you were totally cool with those decisions made in 2001 by... um... a Democrat!

How many of those people served all or part of their sentences? Scooter gets off without having to serve one day, that is the difference.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Uh........ how?
Do you really think that any of them did 'real' time (read paris hilton).

Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States)

Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine)

Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy)

Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion)

William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud)

Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications)

Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud)

Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine)

Scott Lynn Bane (Unlawful distribution of marijuana)

Thomas Cleveland Barber (Issuing worthless checks)

Peggy Ann Bargon (Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act)

David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine)

William Arthur Borders Jr. (Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery)

Arthur David Borel (Odometer Rollback)

Douglas Charles Borel (Odometer Rollback)

George Thomas Brabham (Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank)

Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury)

Looking at some of those dates its hard to believe most of them hadn't done their time by time Clinton pardoned them in 2001.

 

[HCCA 10+ year member]

Just so we're clear on this....

John Armitage was found to be the REAL leaker....if there was one. This is a fact that he admitted to, and he was Bob Novac's source. The "investigation of Libby should have ended there. But to take it one further....Valerie Plame did NOT fit the criterium of a covert agent. Covert status extends for 5 years. She had not been covert for 8 years. So, how could there be a leaker if she wasn't even covert to begin with?!?! This "investigation", if you can even call it that, was actually an attempt by the Left to get to Cheny, Bush, & Rove.....to discredit them. That is the real motivation for why this all happened. Libby was not covicted for outing Valerie Plame. THAT is a fact. He was not convicted of it "by a jury of his peers". He was convicted of having testimony that conflicted with the testimony of others. How many times have any of you tried to recound a story from a shared event with, say, your family. You remember it one way, your dad remembers it differently, and your brother remembers still a different version. That is the simplified version of what happend here. So. Libby was covicted of having a faulty memory. He was being pursued when the real leaker wasn't even investigated!! Why is that??//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Just so we're clear on this....John Armitage was found to be the REAL leaker....if there was one. This is a fact that he admitted to, and he was Bob Novac's source. The "investigation of Libby should have ended there. But to take it one further....Valerie Plame did NOT fit the criterium of a covert agent. Covert status extends for 5 years. She had not been covert for 8 years. So, how could there be a leaker if she wasn't even covert to begin with?!?! This "investigation", if you can even call it that, was actually an attempt by the Left to get to Cheny, Bush, & Rove.....to discredit them. That is the real motivation for why this all happened. Libby was not covicted for outing Valerie Plame. THAT is a fact. He was not convicted of it "by a jury of his peers". He was convicted of having testimony that conflicted with the testimony of others. How many times have any of you tried to recound a story from a shared event with, say, your family. You remember it one way, your dad remembers it differently, and your brother remembers still a different version. That is the simplified version of what happend here. So. Libby was covicted of having a faulty memory. He was being pursued when the real leaker wasn't even investigated!! Why is that??//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wow.gif.23d729408e9177caa2a0ed6a2ba6588e.gif

Now here's a real right winger if I've ever heard one. Her actual status has nothing to do with the fact that this was them trying to get back at her husband for not going along with their bullshit for starting the war in Iraq. THAT is a fact. As far as discrediting Cheney, Bush and Rove is concerned: I don't think anyone could discredit them anymore than they alreay have done to themselves with all the lies Bush himself has been caught in. You can sit there all you want and try and sling mud on the democrats and the left all you want, but Libby lied under oath and that is also a FACT !!

 

[HCCA 10+ year member]

Her actual status has nothing to do with the fact that this was them trying to get back at her husband for not going along with their bullshit for starting the war in Iraq. THAT is a fact. As far as discrediting Cheney, Bush and Rove is concerned: I don't think anyone could discredit them anymore than they alreay have done to themselves with all the lies Bush himself has been caught in. You can sit there all you want and try and sling mud on the democrats and the left all you want, but Libby lied under oath and that is also a FACT !!

Ummm... are you on crack?!?! Her status had nothing to do with this? Are you for real?!? Her status has everything to do with this! If she was not covert, then there was no case to investigate!!! If John Armitage was discovered to be the "leaker", (Like it would even matter... if Plame was not covert to begin with...and she wasn't.) the case should have been dropped. And, if Libby was not the leaker, then what did he have to lie about?? That IS what this case was supposed to be all about. That's what Chuck Schuemer was after when he pressed the JD for this case to go forward! So what is it that Libby was supposed to be lying about? What did he stand to gain? We know who the leaker was, and it was not Libby. So....whay did the case continue to go forward? It was attempt to smear the Bush administration. That's it, that's all. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/*******.gif.a649d21efc0d1fd4890a6428166586c1.gif

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Ummm... are you on crack?!?! Her status had nothing to do with this? Are you for real?!? Her status has everything to do with this! If she was not covert, then there was no case to investigate!!! If John Armitage was discovered to be the "leaker", (Like it would even matter... if Plame was not covert to begin with...and she wasn't.) the case should have been dropped. And, if Libby was not the leaker, then what did he have to lie about?? That IS what this case was supposed to be all about. That's what Chuck Schuemer was after when he pressed the JD for this case to go forward! So what is it that Libby was supposed to be lying about? What did he stand to gain? We know who the leaker was, and it was not Libby. So....whay did the case continue to go forward? It was attempt to smear the Bush administration. That's it, that's all. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/*******.gif.a649d21efc0d1fd4890a6428166586c1.gif

First of all she was undercover, period. Leaking her name was endangering her life and career and it was all done by political spite. You're the one on crack here. Oh and by the way.......why did this all go to trial if it was NO big deal or as you say....no case.

Paint it any color you like neocon, they did it and Libby lied about it and obstructed justice. But when you have a president (or so they call him) that wants to throw around his executive power then I guess that means more than justice and truth. Face it, you're in love with the most crooked regime this country has ever seen.