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[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Since this is such a good idea we should probably expand this policy to include the use of deadly force against anyone seen committing any crime.

And that is the slippery slope my line of reasoning would ultimately lead to.

Sometimes logic is blinded by personal bias against theft.

You argue it is a replacement cost issue. I argue that the effects of theft run much deeper than that. I haven't been broken into at home (knock on wood) but I purchased an electronic survellience system, and I wake up periodically during the night to check on my truck. In essense, the fact that other people's vehicles have been broken into still causes undue problems for me, as well as the rest of society.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it. All I am saying is that if the supreme court listens to the case and passes judgement, that will be the law.We can debate it for the rest of the evening, but they make the laws (not some people on a car audio forum)

They want some DEEBEEZ, they come here, we want the law, we go see them

Not everyone likes the idea of judicial activism becoming a mechanism to make laws. It's kinda circumventing the system.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Would you at least agree that crime would reduce after some time? I mean who would consider breaking a law with that in mind?

No i would posit that it would actually increase because people would abuse it by killing anyone who bothered them and society would sink into decay.

Works in other countries. Now, I know they don't use deadly force for everything but public hangings, hands being cut off public beatings etc.

If its such a great system why don't you move to a place like that?

Maybe you would feel more secure and safe living in Iran.

 

[Pl8er 5,000+ posts]

No i would posit that it would actually increase because people would abuse it by killing anyone who bothered them and society would sink into decay.


If its such a great system why don't you move to a place like that?

Maybe you would feel more secure and safe living in Iran.

ROFL. I was actually expecting someone to put the YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE (wasn't expecting you though).

I love our country for the good and bad.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I argue that the effects of theft run much deeper than that. I haven't been broken into at home (knock on wood) but I purchased an electronic survellience system, and I wake up periodically during the night to check on my truck. In essense, the fact that other people's vehicles have been broken into still causes undue problems for me, as well as the rest of society.

So what does that have to do with the value of life?

Also i would like to point out that you are placing the value of a good nights sleep at less than the cost of carrying decent insurance on your truck; why i am not sure.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

So what does that have to do with the value of life?
Also i would like to point out that you are placing the value of a good nights sleep at less than the cost of carrying decent insurance on your truck; why i am not sure.

I am arguing that the value of his life is less because of his actions negative effects on society.

Or do you feel all the members of a given society have equal value?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

ROFL. I was actually expecting someone to put the YOU DON'T LIKE IT MOVE (wasn't expecting you though).
I love our country for the good and bad.

it was fresh in my mind from using it so many times tonight in the military sign up bonus thread.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I am arguing that the value of his life is less because of his actions negative effects on society.

Less than what?

Or do you feel all the members of a given society have equal value?

Of course not, but society and the legal system think that any life is more valuable than property.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Less than what?


Of course not, but society and the legal system think that any life is more valuable than property.

less than the value of the average citizen.

I'll give you the second part. Let's put it like this. I know you are right, but my hatred toward theives won't allow me to agree.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

Would you at least agree that crime would reduce after some time? I mean who would consider breaking a law with that in mind?

That opens the door for a lot of discrepancies. Licensing all citizens with the ability to enforce capital punishment opens the door for a lot of death. "I'm sorry judge, but I noticed he was plagiarizing. I had to shoot his ***."

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

less than the value of the average citizen.

But we were never discussing that; the conversation was about the value of life versus the value of consumer goods.

I'll give you the second part. Let's put it like this. I know you are right, but my hatred toward theives won't allow me to agree.

I only stuck with it because i knew you were trapped but wouldn't resort to the tactics we both employ against newbs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I will say you had nice form in the attempt to draw me out and into tripping up.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

But we were never discussing that; the conversation was about the value of life versus the value of consumer goods.

I only stuck with it because i knew you were trapped but wouldn't resort to the tactics we both employ against newbs //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I will say you had nice form in the attempt to draw me out and into tripping up.

When you are losing the argument, you change in into something you are better able to argue. Haven't you ever seen a Presidential debate?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

When you are losing the argument, you change in into something you are better able to argue. Haven't you ever seen a Presidential debate?

Of course i know the tactic, that's why i wouldn't let you get away with it.

I also know that if it wasn't me you were conversing with, you would have switched positions before conceding.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

probably claiming that you held the same position the entire time but that the other party had difficulty comprehending your clearly articulated argument.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

At least I didn't get mad.

I knew from go that my personal bias would due me in.