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[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

I personally wouldn't want my wife/girlfirend to get one... but I don't care what other people do, none of my business!

 

[vasilios 10+ year member]

Thats the key word Noah, yet. They will, if they aren't killed before being born.
Infants don't have a concept of object permanence, they don't understand if an object is hidden that it's still there... can we kill them too? It was okay to kill them just a few months ago, right?

You are suffering from the same flaw in perception of time as I mentioned before -- that child WILL have a brain, and would be born, or at least have a chance at being born IF the procedure was not performed. The only difference is the position in time... which is just another dimension like space, only our perception varies. If you apply this universally you can say it's okay to kill people south of the equator but not north of it... as they are separated by a certain measure in a certain dimension. NO different in objective reality than a separation in time, other than how we perceive and experience it. And yes, I consider this point very important for understanding REALITY as it IS and not how someone FEELS that it is.

And notice how this article and most other pro-life biased stances do not use the term "*****". Theyd rather overly sensitise the situation by using terms such as "unborn child" or "baby".

A ***** is nothing more than a parasite, living off of its host; the mother. It is not a "baby" or "life" until it has been birthed and is breathing, seeing on its own and no longer receiving nourishment from a fallopian tube.

This is the way I see it.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

And notice how this article and most other pro-life biased stances do not use the term "*****". Theyd rather overly sensitise the situation by using terms such as "unborn child" or "baby".
A ***** is nothing more than a parasite, living off of its host; the mother. It is not a "baby" or life until it has been birthed and is breathing, seeing on its own and no longer receiving nourishment from a fallopian tube.

This is the way I see it.

Can an infant survive on it's own without care from it's parents? No, it cannot.

So do you think it's okay to kill infants or newborns too? In order to use your argument you have to accept the consequences of applying it universally.

Your opinion still fails to consider the reality of what I said above to Noah as well.

You can have your opinion, thats fine, I just want you to consider the full consequence of what you are saying. I know I can't change everyones mind, but I like to put it out there in case you honestly just hadn't considered it before.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

And notice how this article and most other pro-life biased stances do not use the term "*****". Theyd rather overly sensitise the situation by using terms such as "unborn child" or "baby".
A ***** is nothing more than a parasite, living off of its host; the mother. It is not a "baby" or "life" until it has been birthed and is breathing, seeing on its own and no longer receiving nourishment from a fallopian tube.

This is the way I see it.

i agree with the assertion. i'd like to cite further back in time though. the moment 1 moron allows a dick to be stuck in her stink hole with no protection and another moron allows himself to go unprotected. that's my moment in question

 

[vasilios 10+ year member]

Can an infant survive on it's own without care from it's parents? No, it cannot.
So do you think it's okay to kill infants or newborns too? In order to use your argument you have to accept the consequences of applying it universally.

Your opinion still fails to consider the reality of what I said above to Noah as well.

You can have your opinion, thats fine, I just want you to consider the full consequence of what you are saying. I know I can't change everyones mind, but I like to put it out there in case you honestly just hadn't considered it before.

A baby outside of its mothers womb is breathing and seeing on its own and taking food into its mouth, not from a tube. It is a "life" and "baby" at this point.

It is quite literally ******* the life out of its mother while she is pregnant with it. That is a fact, not an opinion, and if she wants to do away with it, that is her choice.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Anyhow guys, I'll leave this one to the rest of you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I've had this talk hundreds of time, changed a few minds, but opinions resting more on simply "feeling" and "opinion" cannot be changed with an argument relying on logic.

Just putting it out there to stir up some thought for those of you that may have a differing thought on the situation. Everyone is indeed entitled to their opinion I suppose, so have at it.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

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[the727kid 10+ year member]

He COULD, yes, maybe... but some people are happy in life regardless of how they grew up, people come out of it. Read my above point to Noah -- and really think about deeply. If you think that it is okay to kill a child before it is born, why not after? The only difference is a separation in time.

I see your points, but I still believe all choices should be left to the parents.. Life or death... if it's in you, you should have the choice to choose if it lives or dies, no matter what it will become. What if they could tell if the baby is going to have some sort of disease by the first 2 months...say lucemia (sp?) or that disease where you can't control your muscles.... and will be lucky to live to 3 years old... is it worth it? From the point you made, you basically made it seem that if anything is alive and developing inside of you, you should let it live. So if your stuck in amazon and parasites leave lil eggs inside of you, you should let them develop and live? I do see where you come from, but choices should be left for the parents to be made....after all our country is FREE...for the most part... you should have teh choice.

Anyways you could always send me a 3000D and my views could change drasticly

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

i'm pro-choice for 1 reason. making it illegal will cause a bunch of back alley doctors to spring up doing abortions with coat hangers and pocket knives. i do think it should cost more money, with a large percentage of it going to education. noone should ever give an abortion to someones kid without telling the parents either.

 

[vasilios 10+ year member]

Hell, Im pro-choice merely for the rights of a woman.

It is her body. How would you like your government telling you what you can and cannot do when it comes down to your own body??

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Hell, Im pro-choice merely for the rights of a woman.
It is her body. How would you like your government telling you what you can and cannot do when it comes down to your own body??

so you also believe that heroine, crack, meth, and all other drugs should be legal then. (note: i do believe that) anyone who commits ******* shouldn't be stopped by the police.

 

[tyler_fitz 10+ year member]

Hell, Im pro-choice merely for the rights of a woman.
It is her body. How would you like your government telling you what you can and cannot do when it comes down to your own body??

QFT

I don't feel like i have the right to decide what a woman can and can't do to her body, or her unborn child. theres too broad of a line that determines what makes a ***** "alive".

do you ********? do you menstruate? if so, you're a murderer. because those unfertilized eggs and sperm COULD have been a baby....

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[tRidiot 10+ year member]

How would you like your government telling you what you can and cannot do when it comes down to your own body??

Doesn't just about every law we have do exactly this? It limits our behavior. We tell people you can't do this, can't do that.

I think it basically boils down to do you believe that a '*****' is a human being or not. JMHO.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Can an infant survive on it's own without care from it's parents? No, it cannot.

yes.

It can be raised by the state with our tax dollars, another reason to support abortion.

Also isn't it coincidental that the legalization of abortion coincides with a significant drop in the crime rate?

I say let the criminal trash element murder their own offspring so we as tax payers don't have to fund their criminal lives.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

i'm pro-choice for 1 reason. making it illegal will cause a bunch of back alley doctors to spring up doing abortions with coat hangers and pocket knives. i do think it should cost more money, with a large percentage of it going to education. noone should ever give an abortion to someones kid without telling the parents either.

what you say makes me question my stance on abortion.

Perhaps they should be illegal in the hopes that more people will seek out dangerous back alley abortions and in turn we will not only lose the future drain on societal resources, but also lose the life of the worthless leech mother in the process as well.