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[konechiwa 10+ year member]

I don't expect them to just sit there; i would expect them to call the police.
Calling the police is exactly what i would expect my neighbor to do; I wouldn't expect, or want, them to kill anyone without even knowing for sure what the hell is going on.

Seriously, i have entered friends houses through an unlocked window several times with their permission.

Another example is when i got locked out of my parents house soon after moving into the neighborhood. I ended up kicking in the front door, so i could get inside. A neighbor actually did call the police and i am glad they did that instead of shooting me.

they didn't see you walking out with stuff did they? He didn't just go over their the minute he saw them break in, he went over there when he saw them jacking there stuff.

 

[rollerdj 10+ year member]

I don't expect them to just sit there; i would expect them to call the police.
Calling the police is exactly what i would expect my neighbor to do; I wouldn't expect, or want, them to kill anyone without even knowing for sure what the hell is going on.

Seriously, i have entered friends houses through an unlocked window several times with their permission.

Another example is when i got locked out of my parents house soon after moving into the neighborhood. I ended up kicking in the front door, so i could get inside. A neighbor actually did call the police and i am glad they did that instead of shooting me.

did you climb out the window again with a bag full of stuff though?

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

i do believe he said this was happening "in broad daylight"

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

they didn't see you walking out with stuff did they? He didn't just go over their the minute he saw them break in, he went over there when he saw them jacking there stuff.

They could have easily seen me leaving with a large backpack.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Wow... you went through great lengths to say that you think materials are worth more than life.

Not really -- but you seem to think it's okay to steal and be a scum-bag. If someone is going to potentially ruin my life I will kill them, yes, absolutely. You wouldn't?

Lets say I'm going to burn down your house, bomb your car, wipe out all funds from your bank account, ruin your credit history to the point where you can't recover, and enter false data into your criminal record so you can't get a decent job. Don't ask how... lets just say I could do it. The only way you can stop me is to shoot me. Would you?

What if I was just in your house robbing you? Lets say you had a gun and I didn't. I wasn't stopping... you couldn't ID me, and you knew the police weren't there. Lets say it was something important and you CAN'T replace it. So, I should be allowed to walk away?

Now... where do you draw the line, and how? Thats the question where there is disagreement. I don't think he SHOULD have killed the guys -- done something about it if he could, yes. Fact is, he did kill them -- but he was just protecting his neighborhood. You have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

I don't expect them to just sit there; i would expect them to call the police.
Calling the police is exactly what i would expect my neighbor to do; I wouldn't expect, or want, them to kill anyone without even knowing for sure what the hell is going on.

Seriously, i have entered friends houses through an unlocked window several times with their permission.

Another example is when i got locked out of my parents house soon after moving into the neighborhood. I ended up kicking in the front door, so i could get inside. A neighbor actually did call the police and i am glad they did that instead of shooting me.

great example... i've been in those positions too... or locked myself out of the house and had to go through a window... but i guess that's a lil different... hopefully the neighbors would see past my blackness and realize its me

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

They could have easily seen me leaving with a large backpack.

two questions:

1-if you supposedly had a large backpack, was it full when you entered?

2-did you go back in again and then exit, dumping the contents into your car before you re-entered?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

And the time that i kicked my parents door in, the police showed up just as i was leaving with a bag full of clothes for a weekend trip (the reason i could not wait to have my mom let me in).

If you aren't able to see how allowing people to take the law into their own hands could lead to bigger tragedies than the loss of some consumer goods, i feel sorry for you.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

And maybe if someone approached you with a gun and told you not to move or he'd kill you, you might take him seriously????

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

I don't expect them to just sit there; i would expect them to call the police.
Calling the police is exactly what i would expect my neighbor to do; I wouldn't expect, or want, them to kill anyone without even knowing for sure what the hell is going on.

Seriously, i have entered friends houses through an unlocked window several times with their permission.

Another example is when i got locked out of my parents house soon after moving into the neighborhood. I ended up kicking in the front door, so i could get inside. A neighbor actually did call the police and i am glad they did that instead of shooting me.

This guy knew the conditions, he was very familiar with his neighbor and what was going on. These weren't friends going in the window, that was obvious from the tape. He also warned them not to move or he would shoot, they moved, he shot. Didn't sound like he just went out guns blazing.

 

[rollerdj 10+ year member]

great example... i've been in those positions too... or locked myself out of the house and had to go through a window... but i guess that's a lil different... hopefully the neighbors would see past my blackness and realize its me

ahaha. you know as well as me that it's not just people of color that are stealing. i can't name a single race that hasn't had someone go to jail for some kinda crime.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

Not really -- but you seem to think it's okay to steal and be a scum-bag. If someone is going to potentially ruin my life I will kill them, yes, absolutely. You wouldn't?
Lets say I'm going to burn down your house, bomb your car, wipe out all funds from your bank account, ruin your credit history to the point where you can't recover, and enter false data into your criminal record so you can't get a decent job. Don't ask how... lets just say I could do it. The only way you can stop me is to shoot me. Would you?

What if I was just in your house robbing you? Lets say you had a gun and I didn't. I wasn't stopping... you couldn't ID me, and you knew the police weren't there. Lets say it was something important and you CAN'T replace it. So, I should be allowed to walk away?

Now... where do you draw the line, and how? Thats the question where there is disagreement. I don't think he SHOULD have killed the guys -- done something about it if he could, yes. Fact is, he did kill them -- but he was just protecting his neighborhood. You have to draw the line somewhere.

I never condoned stealing...

haha... alright... what are you the anti-robocop? If the only way i could stop you was to shoot you.. .i still wouldn't have to shoot to kill... sh*t... you might have just been having a bad day... you need some rehab after all that... so i'd just temporarily disable you... but... lets say i called the police before i was about to shoot you... and then they said they were almost there... and right after i shot you in the butt... they saw me with a gun out pointed at you... (i'm black)... i'm down... 41 shots fired... you're disabled... i'm dead

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

And the time that i kicked my parents door in, the police showed up just as i was leaving with a bag full of clothes for a weekend trip (the reason i could wait to have my mom let me in).
If you aren't able to see how allowing people to take the law into their own hands could lead to bigger tragedies than the loss of some consumer goods, i feel sorry for you.

I am able to see how to see how people taking the law into their own hands can lead to tragedy however i believe that the attitude you have people to be able to sue mcdonalds because their coffee was too hot and it burnt them or burglars who sue the residents of the house they broke into because they got hurt when the residents beat the **** out of them.

If he purposefully shot to kill, shame on him.

But from what it looks like, he didn't, and thats why we have the second amendment.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Not really -- but you seem to think it's okay to steal and be a scum-bag. If someone is going to potentially ruin my life I will kill them, yes, absolutely. You wouldn't?
Lets say I'm going to burn down your house, bomb your car, wipe out all funds from your bank account, ruin your credit history to the point where you can't recover, and enter false data into your criminal record so you can't get a decent job. Don't ask how... lets just say I could do it. The only way you can stop me is to shoot me. Would you?

What if I was just in your house robbing you? Lets say you had a gun and I didn't. I wasn't stopping... you couldn't ID me, and you knew the police weren't there. Lets say it was something important and you CAN'T replace it. So, I should be allowed to walk away?

Now... where do you draw the line, and how? Thats the question where there is disagreement. I don't think he SHOULD have killed the guys -- done something about it if he could, yes. Fact is, he did kill them -- but he was just protecting his neighborhood. You have to draw the line somewhere.

Using a hyperbole to try to make your point, but its more like comparing apples to oranges.

The two murdered men were in no position to ruin the life of the man who shot them. He went OUT OF HIS WAY to confront and shoot them.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

two questions:
1-if you supposedly had a large backpack, was it full when you entered?

2-did you go back in again and then exit, dumping the contents into your car before you re-entered?

uhm... I've done that before at a friends house... especially if i was using there house for storage... doesn't mean the neighbors had all the details

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

uhm... I've done that before at a friends house... especially if i was using there house for storage... doesn't mean the neighbors had all the details

but did you kick down the door or smash a window to get in?

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I am able to see how to see how people taking the law into their own hands can lead to tragedy however i believe that the attitude you have people to be able to sue mcdonalds because their coffee was too hot and it burnt them or burglars who sue the residents of the house they broke into because they got hurt when the residents beat the **** out of them.
If he purposefully shot to kill, shame on him.

But from what it looks like, he didn't, and thats why we have the second amendment.

Did you even listen to the 911 call?

After the 911 operator begged and ordered him not to go outside, he cited a recent change in law regarding a right to shoot an intruder, and went out there with the intent of shooting them.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

Using a hyperbole to try to make your point, but its more like comparing apples to oranges.
The two murdered men were in no position to ruin the life of the man who shot them. He went OUT OF HIS WAY to confront and shoot them.

exactly... lets say i see a police chase... on tv... haha... and i notice they're coming through my town... the news keeps saying they're armed and dangerous... maybe i should load up the artillery and aim for the drivers seat right?

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

Did you even listen to the 911 call?
After the 911 operator begged and ordered him not to go outside, he cited a recent change in law regarding a right to shoot an intruder, and went out there with the intent of shooting them.

Did he specifically say to the dispatcher that he was going to blow their ****ing brains out and aim at the head or heart so that he could kill them? NO

he said he was gonna go out their and shoot them to stop them.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

exactly... lets say i see a police chase... on tv... haha... and i notice they're coming through my town... the news keeps saying they're armed and dangerous... maybe i should load up the artillery and aim for the drivers seat right?

no you let the cops chase them around for a while until they hit a car and kill someone.