why that was nice

[sundownz Pro Seller]

i'm not lying to myself... you have some f*cked up morals if you would really take a life because you were losing material possessions... suing for money still equals material possessions... i'd go broke and homeless if it meant someone didn't have to lose a life... why? cause i can get that sh*t back over time

You missed the part where I made it impossible for you to recover from the loss. Gotta read the whole hypothetical situation.

You would go broke and homeless to save the life of someone who would take everything you have? Somehow, I doubt that.

Anyways, I'm out as I said above //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Don't wanna get ****** into this again! Faulkton will get ya going like that.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

True. He went out, told them to stop -- they didn't. From the sound of it they approached him as well. Stopping would have prevented any death that day from the sounds of it.

I believe there is a fundamental disagreement between the two of us about the motivation of the shooter.

To me, on the tape, he clearly sounds like a man frustrated with the inadequacies of the criminal justice system. The fact that he cites a recent change in the laws regarding when a homeowner has the right to shoot an intruder makes me believe he thought he was 100% within his right to go out and shoot the two men.

He was in no danger at all and went out of his way to confront these men, and i believe he had every intention of shooting them before he even left his house against the pleading of the 911 operator.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

I swear faulkton if you didn't speak so eloquently and were so persuasive i would think you were an idiot. I was not talking to you. I was talking to him. He said he most likely entered a window to get into his friends house, and i asked him if he used a crowbar to break into it, or if he kicked down the door LIKE YOU DID.

I'll answer your question with a question...

Do you think all burgalurs break down doors and blow stuff up to take things?

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

I can't. I am a 17 year old kid (legally speaking) and actually someone stole my camera last year in photo class. Would i shoot them? No. Would I beat the living **** out of them? Yes. Do you know what would have happened to me? Expulsion. Suspension. what would have happened to him? detention most likely.
I can't get that back. No insurance will cover that. It was my dad's first camera he ever owned, and he was nice enough to let me use it.

I would say that's worth getting suspended... at least his life isnt being taken away... did you file a report with the police?

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

I'll answer your question with a question...Do you think all burgalurs break down doors and blow stuff up to take things?

the one who stole my stereo equipment out of my car jammed a screwdriver into my door and busted it open, open all my bins, compartments and such to search for my headunit's faceplate and left everything scattered, and ripped the sub, amps and crossovers out of there respected places so hard that the wires ripped in half.

So you tell me.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

I would say that's worth getting suspended... at least his life isnt being taken away... did you file a report with the police?

what are they gonna do about it? They have no idea who took it, no way of proving they stole it from me and no leads whatsoever.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Anyways, I'm out as I said above //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Don't wanna get ****** into this again! Faulkton will get ya going like that.

I do believe that is the third time you have said goodbye.

I guess i have that effect on people.

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[hoxie08 5,000+ posts]

psh, who gives a **** anymore. the thieves are dead, got what they chose... death. hope they died slow and painfully.

 

[benzmansl65amg 10+ year member]

they deserved to die

Cuz there are pieces of ****, it ain't hard to f*ckin tell

It dont make sense, for them goin to heaven with the goodie-goodies

Dressed in white, they like black timbs and black hoodies.

God'll probably have them on some real strict ****

No sleepin all day, no gettin thier dick licked

Hangin wit the goodie-goodies, loungin in paradise

F**k that ****, they wanna tote guns and shoot dice

All thier life they've been considered as the worst

Lyin to thier mothers, even stealin out her purse

Crime after crime, from drugs to extortion

I know thier mothers wish she got a f**kin abortion

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

the one who stole my stereo equipment out of my car jammed a screwdriver into my door and busted it open, open all my bins, compartments and such to search for my headunit's faceplate and left everything scattered, and ripped the sub, amps and crossovers out of there respected places so hard that the wires ripped in half.
So you tell me.

Interesting, you used one scenario that you experienced to generalize all burglaries. My point is that not all burglaries have a big bang before the person evolves into stealing mode.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I swear faulkton if you didn't speak so eloquently and were so persuasive i would think you were an idiot. I was not talking to you. I was talking to him. He said he most likely entered a window to get into his friends house, and i asked him if he used a crowbar to break into it, or if he kicked down the door LIKE YOU DID.

I know who you were talking to, but that wont matter to the people reading this frantic and hurried thread.

My comment still made you look as if you had been purposely ignoring me.

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[konechiwa 10+ year member]

The law says if someone is breaking into your house and stealing your ****, then you can kill them.
So the law disagrees with you.

I'm not saying that you should go next door and shoot people... I'm talking about defending your own home and household.

And anyone who breaks into someone's home to steal **** knows that getting shot and killed is a distinct possibility... thus, they judged that the possessions in question were indeed worth more than their own lives. So they've already made that decision, and it's been proven to be correct in this case.

" no person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of the law"

so i guess your wrong. The law says you can't kill somebody.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

psh, who gives a **** anymore. the thieves are dead, got what they chose... death. hope they died slow and painfully.

It's clear you put a ton of thought and effort into forming your opinions.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

When they are breaking into your house or stealing your property (in some states, such as Texas), yes, you can.

Do some more research... many many many states say you can kill in such a situation.

What you're talking about is a person who is arrested and suspected of a crime, not one who is killed during the COMMISSION of a crime.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

I know who you were talking to, but that wont matter to the people reading this frantic and hurried thread.
My comment still made you look as if you had been purposely ignoring me.

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look faulkton.

Here's were i stand.

Should he have shot them (from a MORAL standpoint) YES.

should he have shot to kill? NO.

should he be tried for murder (from a moral standpoint)? NO.

should he be tried for murder (from a legal standpoint?) Depends. 1st degree, no, lesser offenses yes.

 

[hoxie08 5,000+ posts]

It's clear you put a ton of thought and effort into forming your opinions.

you bet your ass i do.

I'm not the one who spends 10 minutes on a post trying to word it so I SOUND smart.

 

[konechiwa 10+ year member]

When they are breaking into your house or stealing your property (in some states, such as Texas), yes, you can.
Do some more research... many many many states say you can kill in such a situation.

What you're talking about is a person who is arrested and suspected of a crime, not one who is killed during the COMMISSION of a crime.

i hope you know where that law is from.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

But i do not believe any states allow you to shoot someone coming out of your neighbors house.

 

[jrerun21 10+ year member]

what are they gonna do about it? They have no idea who took it, no way of proving they stole it from me and no leads whatsoever.

You have no proof that your dad's first camera belongs in your family? How do you know that specific person stole it? You could have at least tried? At least the guy that shot the to burglars called the police first. Go get your camera back, and say, "this sh*t belongs to me!"

Next week I'll look forward to seeing you sitting next to O.J. in the courtroom

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

i hope you know where that law is from.

I do know where it's from... which is why I know that it doesn't apply to the situation we're discussing.