why that was nice

[basssquared 10+ year member]

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't matter. Only quotes from Adam Smith seem to matter.

LOL this thread is full of very interesting perspectives on both sides of the subject

 

[basssquared 10+ year member]

I just speak from many experiences as an employer of almost 400 Juans.

400 Juans and no Jose's what thats just crazy talk well i bet they got down on basketball alot of Juan on Juan games //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[power-fanatic07 5,000+ posts]

This is full of fail.
The problem is not legal immigrants or those who want to come here and contribute to society and the American economy.

The problem is that Because the American dollar is worth Much more in mexico, (http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13055650) Immigrants come to the US to be guaranteed an income, even at minimum wage to support an entire family in Mexico. When that money is emptied out of the US economy and dumped into the Mexican economy. Ours weakens, theirs strengthens.

wow...never thought of that

 

[FOSGATE JOE 10+ year member]

I'm a Juan . Me and my dad Jumped the fence back in 89

 

[oldschoolboomer 10+ year member]

another note as an employer. Most illegals pay taxes like the rest of us. They use other people's or "fake, but with numbers within acceptable range" socials. They often don't go for the refunds for obvious reasons so in essence are paying more taxes than other schmucks in the same bracket.

 

[oldschoolboomer 10+ year member]

400 Juans and no Jose's what thats just crazy talk well i bet they got down on basketball alot of Juan on Juan games //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Juans, Joses, julios, pablos, hectors, angels, reynaldos, jobs, noes, bernardinos, porfirios, doroteos, miguels, miguels, higinios, etc....

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

another note as an employer. Most illegals pay taxes like the rest of us. They use other people's or "fake, but with numbers within acceptable range" socials. They often don't go for the refunds for obvious reasons so in essence are paying more taxes than other schmucks in the same bracket.

Why do you hire illegal immigrants?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

another note as an employer. Most illegals pay taxes like the rest of us. They use other people's or "fake, but with numbers within acceptable range" socials. They often don't go for the refunds for obvious reasons so in essence are paying more taxes than other schmucks in the same bracket.

At least some illegals have gotten bold enough to claim large numbers of dependents to get large refunds, we just had a tax service here get busted for helping tons of illegals do just that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[oldschoolboomer 10+ year member]

I am an employer, not an immigration agent. I e-verify all employees since it has been possible. But pre e-verify, I was limited in my ability to verify eligibility due to eeo rules.

 

[oldschoolboomer 10+ year member]

At least some illegals have gotten bold enough to claim large numbers of dependents to get large refunds, we just had a tax service here get busted for helping tons of illegals do just that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

exactly. they are not above dishonesty to say the least!!

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I am an employer, not an immigration agent. I e-verify all employees since it has been possible. But pre e-verify, I was limited in my ability to verify eligibility due to eeo rules.

Fair enough. There is a sign at work that says it's against the rules to deny employment because you aren't a citizen. I was like wtf?

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Fair enough. There is a sign at work that says it's against the rules to deny employment because you aren't a citizen. I was like wtf?

they actually put up a sign that said that? that seems like an attempt to poke at people with an invisible stick.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

they actually put up a sign that said that? that seems like an attempt to poke at people with an invisible stick.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Yeah. I will see if I can find it tomorrow. It is an EEO thing or some shit.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I guess you haven't seen too many Ivy MBAs working in banking here in TN. They were wiped out. I know a guy with a MBA from Vanderbilt working at Wendy's. Sure he will only be there temporarily, but such falls from stardom do indeed happen. If your city/town/state has not had such issues, consider yourself lucky.

he sounds stupid. He could have probably made more on unemployment than he will working at Wendys. You're smarter than he is i just know it.

Who's responsibility is it that the masses are enabled to maintain a certain ( but not specific, at least in your posts) level of satisfaction?

the government. Otherwise it'll be overthrown.

You say minimal dietary requirements...well people survived during the Holocaust (oh gasp!!11 I am not supposed to reference that) without eating every day. People survived during transatlantic ocean voyages without eating every day. So what, specifically, is this minimal level of satisfaction and how do we measure to ensure that they are indeed satisfied?

You're on thin ice flip. Especially if you think a government can survive a situation where the masses are treated like the people in Auschwitz.

 

[azimuth 5,000+ posts]

Yeah. I will see if I can find it tomorrow. It is an EEO thing or some shit.

retribution for all those "no coloreds" signs whites use to put up pre 1970. i still wonder what those white's only pies must have tasted like.