why that was nice

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I think that both of you are well informed, however each of you has a unique perspective and I'm just enjoying the read.....

Well if you're actually following alone you get a gold star by your name today //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Co. expects its Volt electric car to earn a fuel-economy rating of at least 230 miles per gallon for city driving, more than four times that of Toyota Motor Corp.’s Prius hybrid.
“It’s fascinating and it’s exciting,” said Brett Smith, an alternative technology analyst at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan. “For a lot of consumers it may also end up being very misleading because they won’t get that mileage in the real world.”

The automaker is counting on unproven technology to leapfrog the Prius, the world’s best-selling hybrid, which starts at $22,000. GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said in May that the Volt would probably cost about $40,000 when it goes on sale in November 2010.

“Many Chevy Volt drivers may be able to be in pure electric mode on a daily basis without having to use any gas,” Chief Executive Officer Fritz Henderson said in a statement today.

GM said in September it reached an agreement with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on a testing method that would yield a rating of at least 100 mpg for the Volt, which will be able to go 40 miles (64 kilometers) on battery power before tapping an onboard gasoline engine for a recharge.

The Volt will receive “a higher number than anyone would expect,” Lutz, 77, said by e-mail yesterday, when people familiar with the situation told Bloomberg that the Volt would get the rating of at least 230 mpg.

100 MPG Combined

With combined city and highway mileage, the Volt still will probably exceed 100 mpg fuel economy, Henderson said.

“At that level, you’re still doing pretty darn good,” Smith said. “It all comes down to how much people are willing to pay to get that savings over time.”

The EPA rates the Prius as the most fuel-efficient car on U.S. roads. The 2010 Prius is rated at 51 mpg in city driving and 48 mpg on the highway, according to the agency’s vehicle- efficiency Web site.

Toyota sold 158,900 Priuses in the U.S. last year, 12 percent fewer than in 2007. The Volt may be produced in volumes of about 60,000 annually, once it goes on sale, GM has said.

Real-world mileage varies depending on such things as driving style, weather and road conditions.

3 Cents Per Mile

Unlike conventional autos and hybrids such as the Prius, the 1.4-liter engine on the Volt won’t drive the wheels. Instead, it will only power the battery, which also can be recharged at a household outlet. The car is scheduled to go on sale late next year as a 2011 model.

Using new methodology being developed, GM said it expects the Volt to consume as little as 25 kilowatt hours per 100 miles in city driving. At the U.S. average cost of electricity, a typical Volt driver would pay about $2.75 for electricity to travel 100 miles, or less than 3 cents per mile, GM said in the statement today.

A traditional car that gets 30 mpg would cost 10 cents per mile to drive when gasoline sells for $3 a gallon.

Dave Ryan, an EPA spokesman, didn’t immediately return a call seeking comment on GM’s statements.

The automaker, majority-owned by the U.S. government since it emerged from bankruptcy on July 10, is speeding to remake itself. Henderson has said the Volt and the development of advanced batteries are priorities for the Detroit-based company.

“It’s a fascinating time to watch the auto industry,” Smith said. “Maybe not everything is ready for prime time, but it’s getting closer.”

‘Not Yet Proven’

GM has offered its own caution about the risk associated with the Volt. The model “has not yet proven to be commercially viable,” according to a regulatory filing last week. The technology required to power the car may not be developed in time for its planned 2010 debut, the automaker said.

“Our competitors and others are pursuing similar technologies and other competing technologies, in some cases with more money available,” GM said. “There can be no assurance that they will not acquire similar or superior technologies sooner than we do.”

Take that oil companies!!

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

I was wondering how long it would take for you to poast this. I bet the volt really doesnt do more than 50 mpg anyways.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

They also didnt mention that they've only made about 80 of them.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I was wondering how long it would take for you to poast this. I bet the volt really doesnt do more than 50 mpg anyways.

I bet it depends on a lot of factors and that the majority of people who will be using them will get better than 50 mpg.

They also didnt mention that they've only made about 80 of them.

I don't think they have really started producing them yet.. that doesnt mean they cant.. so what's your point?

 

[Rich B 5,000+ posts]

Good saving gas will be a necessity when it costs $40,000+.

lol

 

[williambrea 10+ year member]

I was wondering how long it would take for you to poast this. I bet the volt really doesnt do more than 50 mpg anyways.

When its running on primarily batteries it gets unlimited miles per gallon.

Its all about how often you charge the batteries, if your a lazy *** and never do it than your going to see bad gas mileage b/c your going to be using the gas engine all the time. But if you drive 60 miles to work everyday and it has a 100mile charge on batteries and your plug it in every night then you will never have to buy gas theoretically. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

 

[Toone 10+ year member]

When its running on primarily batteries it gets unlimited miles per gallon.
Its all about how often you charge the batteries, if your a lazy *** and never do it than your going to see bad gas mileage b/c your going to be using the gas engine all the time. But if you drive 60 miles to work everyday and it has a 100mile charge on batteries and your plug it in every night then you will never have to buy gas theoretically. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

Read it only gets 40 miles per charge

 

[jkeplinger89 10+ year member]

I saw this article I would only have to fill up twice a month that would be awesome //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[bones22 5,000+ posts]

thats something that should have been possible for years. vehicles do not need to have raw fuel dumped into them to run. all they need is vapors from gas form.

my avalanche should be capable of 40+ mpg. the vehicle manufacturers and the oil industry working together is the reason we arent seeing larger numbers already.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Whether or not the overall society benefits more from protective measures or the attainment of said equilibrium. I posit that protectionism is more beneficial to society in its entirety and that is why we have moved in that direction.

I would say it moved in that direction because it's easier to regulate than it is to create. As far as efficacy is concern...now that's a hypothetical.

 

[slapperz 10+ year member]

If it cant run a good substage then i don care for it.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

I wonder how long that massive Lithium Ion battery bank lasts and how much it costs to replace..

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

I would say it moved in that direction because it's easier to regulate than it is to create. As far as efficacy is concern...now that's a hypothetical.

i would say creation requires regulation.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Read it only gets 40 miles per charge

For my mother, she would never get gas...she doesn't drive over 20 miles per day.