Whats exactly wrong with Kicker & JL?

[T.I.K. 10+ year member]

funky pups has best sq nuff said

Funky pup jokes weren't funny, ever.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

This is just getting stupid.

yupp, sick of this thread already

 

[BnGRacing 10+ year member]

in my opinion I always wanted to get w3 subs. honestly in my opinon they are great sounding subs. I have just always found something else. I use to run 2 alumapro bp-series 12's with a kicker 700 watt amp. those subs with that amp hit really hard, low and had great sq. very hard hitting accurate subs. when my windows were rolled down I would be felt from a block away no lie. the neighbor ask me to turn them down because I was vibrating things of their baby shelves. has anyone else actually heard these subs done right?

Alumapro subs are some of the finest subs on the planet. I've always been amazed why more people have not used them and instead chose some heavy monstrosity that needs a thousand watts to make a little noise.

Their subs get stupid loud with little power needed. Extremely accurate and easy to EQ & integrate with the front stage.

 

[martiandancer31 10+ year member]

i'm still waiting on someone to show me a sub for 300 shipped new thats better SQ-wise than the w6.

i'm not sure if this counts because I got it used (LNIB), but I had a 15" eclipse tc-9, cost me much less than $300, and that thing sounded beautiful. Of course, i put it in the right box, gave it plenty of power, and spent some time tuning everything.....

IIRC, the net Le was like .27 mH or something insanely low like that.

 

[Danometal 10+ year member]

Funky pup jokes weren't funny, ever.

Chuck Norris jokes were though.

 

[brodeisel 10+ year member]

i kinda wanna try an aluma pro sub.

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

lmfao! looks like SSA got trolled!

I left the supa's mom review on there for the giggle factor and for the people who know. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

After reading the whole thing, two comments:

 

1. Very surprised how little acknowledgement JL got for the amount of engineering they do, the level of in house work they are capable of, and the amount of products built here in the USA.

 

2. Ashamed it took 11 pages for the Funky Pup to be mentioned.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

JL and Kicker, for many people here, stand for things that go against the idea of DIY. One of the goals of many people who delve into car audio as passionately as many people here do, is to find brands and products that perform better for the same cost, or perform equally well for less money, than the more traditional mainstream brands. That is not to say kicker and jl do not have good products, but the stigma exists.

If you want some specific things I dislike about the two, I do not like the marketing gimmick that is square coned subs. IMHO Kicker has given in to mainstream popularity at the expense of fidelity. Square cones make the speaker go boom like so. Other than that, there is no real advantage to them in most circumstances, and there are some drawbacks to them (that Kicker intentionally misrepresents). JL I take issue with because, when the W7 was released, I personally saw Manville Smith say the high price tag was to offset the tooling costs that went into making them completely proprietary design. Well, many years later, those tooling costs have long since been covered, but the prices remain high. Its clear they are simply going with the idea of whatever the market will bear. But, business is business. Neither company is in it to do anything other than make as much profit as possible, as most businesses are. So us more knowledgeable enthusiasts tend to gravitate to the smaller companies who cater to us, the online buyers who dont need a professional installer to install our crap.

I could go on, but Im already getting bored, so I'll stop here.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

I heard an alumapro at one of my local audio shops, it was impressive. They may be another one of those brands to come out of the water.

 

[Danometal 10+ year member]

JL and Kicker, for many people here, stand for things that go against the idea of DIY. One of the goals of many people who delve into car audio as passionately as many people here do, is to find brands and products that perform better for the same cost, or perform equally well for less money, than the more traditional mainstream brands. That is not to say kicker and jl do not have good products, but the stigma exists.
If you want some specific things I dislike about the two, I do not like the marketing gimmick that is square coned subs. IMHO Kicker has given in to mainstream popularity at the expense of fidelity. Square cones make the speaker go boom like so. Other than that, there is no real advantage to them in most circumstances, and there are some drawbacks to them (that Kicker intentionally misrepresents). JL I take issue with because, when the W7 was released, I personally saw Manville Smith say the high price tag was to offset the tooling costs that went into making them completely proprietary design. Well, many years later, those tooling costs have long since been covered, but the prices remain high. Its clear they are simply going with the idea of whatever the market will bear. But, business is business. Neither company is in it to do anything other than make as much profit as possible, as most businesses are. So us more knowledgeable enthusiasts tend to gravitate to the smaller companies who cater to us, the online buyers who dont need a professional installer to install our crap.

I could go on, but Im already getting bored, so I'll stop here.

This ^ /thread

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I heard an alumapro at one of my local audio shops, it was impressive. They may be another one of those brands to come out of the water.

Alumapro was interesting 10-12 years ago. Last I saw, they are still pushing the Alchemy, a sub that stood out back then, but is nothing special these days.

 

[kramer_212 10+ year member]

JL and Kicker, for many people here, stand for things that go against the idea of DIY. One of the goals of many people who delve into car audio as passionately as many people here do, is to find brands and products that perform better for the same cost, or perform equally well for less money, than the more traditional mainstream brands. That is not to say kicker and jl do not have good products, but the stigma exists.
If you want some specific things I dislike about the two, I do not like the marketing gimmick that is square coned subs. IMHO Kicker has given in to mainstream popularity at the expense of fidelity. Square cones make the speaker go boom like so. Other than that, there is no real advantage to them in most circumstances, and there are some drawbacks to them (that Kicker intentionally misrepresents). JL I take issue with because, when the W7 was released, I personally saw Manville Smith say the high price tag was to offset the tooling costs that went into making them completely proprietary design. Well, many years later, those tooling costs have long since been covered, but the prices remain high. Its clear they are simply going with the idea of whatever the market will bear. But, business is business. Neither company is in it to do anything other than make as much profit as possible, as most businesses are. So us more knowledgeable enthusiasts tend to gravitate to the smaller companies who cater to us, the online buyers who dont need a professional installer to install our crap.

I could go on, but Im already getting bored, so I'll stop here.

your posts are always the bests. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

JL and Kicker, for many people here, stand for things that go against the idea of DIY. One of the goals of many people who delve into car audio as passionately as many people here do, is to find brands and products that perform better for the same cost, or perform equally well for less money, than the more traditional mainstream brands. That is not to say kicker and jl do not have good products, but the stigma exists.
If you want some specific things I dislike about the two, I do not like the marketing gimmick that is square coned subs. IMHO Kicker has given in to mainstream popularity at the expense of fidelity. Square cones make the speaker go boom like so. Other than that, there is no real advantage to them in most circumstances, and there are some drawbacks to them (that Kicker intentionally misrepresents). JL I take issue with because, when the W7 was released, I personally saw Manville Smith say the high price tag was to offset the tooling costs that went into making them completely proprietary design. Well, many years later, those tooling costs have long since been covered, but the prices remain high. Its clear they are simply going with the idea of whatever the market will bear. But, business is business. Neither company is in it to do anything other than make as much profit as possible, as most businesses are. So us more knowledgeable enthusiasts tend to gravitate to the smaller companies who cater to us, the online buyers who dont need a professional installer to install our crap.

I could go on, but Im already getting bored, so I'll stop here.

Makes sense.

 

[wenn_du_weinst 10+ year member]

Alumapro was interesting 10-12 years ago. Last I saw, they are still pushing the Alchemy, a sub that stood out back then, but is nothing special these days.

jesus christ, I agree with you.