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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You make good points, I know my theory would need a lot of refining, that's why it's just a theory. I'm not looking to start a revolution, was just sharing some thoughts.
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You are too quick. I edited my post to add more thoughts. IOW, quit mental masturbating in front of us, this is a family friendly website!

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

Stephen Hawking and I have the same Myers-Briggs personality type by the way...same as Isaac Newton

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

In theory, your idea is good, in reality it is not. For example, who gets to determine what is 'weak'? How can human's be so naive as to believe they have fully mastered concepts like evolution to the point that they could legitimately determine what characteristics are good or bad? Steven Hawking is a perfect example. And, even if we could be confident in our decisions, who would enforce the policy? How would they enforce it globally? Selective evolution is a fool's folly, mental masturbation with no realistic way to predict or control.

Well I mean with absolute power those things can be controlled, I know it's terrible but that's basically what Hitler was doing and look how far he got...Imagine for a minute that he succeed and won the war, with absolute power he could set the standard and make the decisions for the selection process.

I don't really know what mental masturbation is but I like thinking outside the box and thinking about what the world be like if society was dramatically different...You should be encouraging creative thought Holic, not stifling it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Stephen Hawking and I have the same Myers-Briggs personality type by the way...same as Isaac Newton

There's a theory out lately that many of the well known geniuses of the past suffered from ailments such as autism, which helped them to achieve the intellectual state that they did. Autism, of course, is a trait that is generally considered bed genetics. Again, this simply highlights how little we understanding about human development.

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

You are too quick. I edited my post to add more thoughts. IOW, quit mental masturbating in front of us, this is a family friendly website!

please put your brain away while you are on this site.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Well I mean with absolute power those things can be controlled, I know it's terrible but that's basically what Hitler was doing and look how far he got...Imagine for a minute that he succeed and won the war, with absolute power he could set the standard and make the decisions for the selection process.
I don't really know what mental masturbation is but I like thinking outside the box and thinking about what the world be like if society was dramatically different...You should be encouraging creative thought Holic, not stifling it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Im not trying to stifle you, just trying to keep things realistic.

Mental masturbation is a term that refers to the practice of thinking about something that is impossible, or will otherwise never happen. Thinking about it simply for the sake of thinking about it.

Hitler would have failed at altering human development in any permanent way, even if he had won the war. You cannot control breeding of every human on the planet any more than you can be sure you successfully eradicated any particular race, trait, or characteristic. Not only was Hitler insane for wanting to do it, he was insane for thinking it was even remotely possible. Research has shown he had a life-long hatred for Jews, and this is likely more to do with his desire to eradicate them than any purification attempts he claimed to be working towards. He was just nuts, plain and simple. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

Is intelligence genetic though? There's no reason we couldn't allow him to live, just not breed...I'm not saying we would have to exterminate everyone, just "fix" em //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Is intelligence genetic though? There's no reason we couldn't allow him to live, just not breed...I'm not saying we would have to exterminate everyone, just "fix" em //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Well if you want to have a deep conversation, nano-technology is the only technology even remotely possible, that Im aware of, that could make it possible to alter human development permanently, and in a way we want. But again, just because we could, doesn't mean we know enough to think we should.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

Im not trying to stifle you, just trying to keep things realistic.
Mental masturbation is a term that refers to the practice of thinking about something that is impossible, or will otherwise never happen. Thinking about it simply for the sake of thinking about it.

Well in that case, I do that all the time, lol. Nothing is impossible, declaring ideas dead ends is no way to advance knowledge. Impossible ideas are just puzzles that have yet to be solved.

Hitler would have failed at altering human development in any permanent way, even if he had won the war. You cannot control breeding of every human on the planet any more than you can be sure you successfully eradicated any particular race, trait, or characteristic. Not only was Hitler insane for wanting to do it, he was insane for thinking it was even remotely possible. Research has shown he had a life-long hatred for Jews, and this is likely more to do with his desire to eradicate them than any purification attempts he claimed to be working towards. He was just nuts, plain and simple. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I was just using Hitler as an example of an absolute power, could be any dictator I suppose. I just foresee that as a possible solution to your "where do we draw the line" comment. You don't think it's at all possible to alter the human race with selective breeding? You don't believe in evolution?

 

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Well if you want to have a deep conversation, nano-technology is the only technology even remotely possible, that Im aware of, that could make it possible to alter human development permanently, and in a way we want. But again, just because we could, doesn't mean we know enough to think we should.

I agree, I'm not saying that my idea would lead to a happy fairytale world, I'm just saying logically if we wanted to advance the human race, ya know?

 

[Bassin Brandon]

Justin Bieber...

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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Justin Bieber...Justin Biber is just a girl that got a sex change..... heres proof ;D

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Thanks, now I wont be able to fap for like a week. No seriously, thanks.

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

Thanks, now I wont be able to fap for like a week. No seriously, thanks.

i had the exact same thought. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You don't think it's at all possible to alter the human race with selective breeding? You don't believe in evolution?

I believe in evolution. I dont believe we understand it completely, or even as much as we think we do, but I believe in it, generally speaking.

Selective breeding is not evolution. Its basically the opposite of evolution. Evolution is the idea that random mutations in a population, through reproduction, will create alterations that the environment will either find beneficial, or detrimental. The mutated beings that acquire detrimental mutations will die, while the beings that acquire beneficial mutations will flourish and eventually out-populated the previous life form.

An example is the turtle. Evolution tells us that somewhere back in history, a reptile was born with a shell on its back that, natually, helped protect it from the environment and predators. That shelled creature mated with another, passing on the shell trait. The shelled reptiles out-flourished the non shelled reptile ancestor, thus altering the species' permanent traits.

There is nothing random about selective breeding. And there is no guarantee that what we selectively breed would surpass the current human lifeform, which goes back to the idea that we humans do not know enough about evolution, or the human genome/DNA/development/whatever to even know what to weed out, even if we could be successful at selective breeding.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

I believe in evolution. I dont believe we understand it completely, or even as much as we think we do, but I believe in it, generally speaking.
Selective breeding is not evolution. Its basically the opposite of evolution. Evolution is the idea that random mutations in a population, through reproduction, will create alterations that the environment will either find beneficial, or detrimental. The mutated beings that acquire detrimental mutations will die, while the beings that acquire beneficial mutations will flourish and eventually out-populated the previous life form.

An example is the turtle. Evolution tells us that somewhere back in history, a reptile was born with a shell on its back that, natually, helped protect it from the environment and predators. That shelled creature mated with another, passing on the shell trait. The shelled reptiles out-flourished the non shelled reptile ancestor, thus altering the species' permanent traits.

There is nothing random about selective breeding. And there is no guarantee that what we selectively breed would surpass the current human lifeform, which goes back to the idea that we humans do not know enough about evolution, or the human genome/DNA/development/whatever to even know what to weed out, even if we could be successful at selective breeding.

I don't know, I kind of disagree. I think selective breeding is just a sped up forced evolution. By recognizing desirable traits we can speed up the process. Right now we're stopping evolution from working because in our environment the less desirable features in humans are protected and allowed to breed.

I do agree that at this point we don't have near enough knowledge to do it successfully but that doesn't mean we never will...

 

[pro-rabbit 5,000+ posts]

Is intelligence genetic though? There's no reason we couldn't allow him to live, just not breed...I'm not saying we would have to exterminate everyone, just "fix" em //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Intelligence is genetic to an extent. However, just because the offspring have a 4:1(just a guess not accurate) ratio of getting greater then average intelligence(or vise verse) that does not mean that is what will be produced. There still is that chance. Some quick search of genetics will help explain that better and be sure to add in the research over probability theory as that will help you understand the options and ratios of genetics being passed down.

If you look into old research from psychologists with rats you can see the idea of genetic intelligence, but also the idea that it is not as genetic as tall/short/skinny/fat are. Athletic ability is more genetic then intelligence actually is, but it is still a part of genetics.